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Meeting of the Parliament 04 February 2016

04 Feb 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Carers (Scotland) Bill
Hepburn, Jamie SNP Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Watch on SPTV

I am afraid that I do not agree with that. Given that we are talking about care today, I might reflect on the fact that we are providing a substantial package of support—some £250 million—half of which will go towards ensuring that those who work in the care sector are paid the living wage. I would have thought that Ms Lamont would welcome that, but I have heard scant welcome for it from the Labour benches. I regret that intervention, because I want to try to move forward on the basis of the broad consensus with which we have approached the subject today.

Local eligibility criteria will enable each local authority to determine whether carers’ identified needs call for the provision of support, taking into account the total resource that is available to meet local demand for support. However, I want to ensure consistency of approach across Scotland. I believe that that can be achieved through the national matters that will be set out in regulations and which will underpin local eligibility criteria. As I made clear in my response to the Health and Sport Committee’s stage 1 report, the national carer organisations’ work on nationally set criteria will help to influence the regulations relating to those national matters. I set that out again today.

I am committed to continuing to work with key stakeholders to share ideas and views about how local eligibility criteria should work in practice. That will inform development of regulations and guidance under the bill.

To be clear, we will look closely at the efficacy of the approach that is taken. I have retained a power in the bill so that ministers can, by way of regulations, introduce national eligibility criteria, if that is felt to be necessary down the line. I described that power earlier as one that we are holding in reserve. Let me be clear that the Government will not hesitate to use it should it find that it has to.

Finally, I will say a word about implementation. Resources to support implementation of the bill are set out in the financial memorandum. I have confirmed to the Finance Committee that the Scottish Government expects to use the maximum costs that are set out in the financial memorandum for planning purposes. Those costs are £19.4 million in 2017-18; they rise to £88.52 million in 2021-22 and on a recurring basis thereafter. I believe that that represents a substantial commitment to the bill.

The passage of the bill is only part of the journey. We have done much to support Scotland’s carers outwith the bill, and we will continue to do that. In the weeks and months ahead, a significant effort will be required to ensure that we, along with key interests, including carers and their representative organisations, pave the way for commencement of the bill in 2017-18.

There will be challenges ahead. I am committed to working collaboratively with stakeholders to undertake the necessary planning and to co-produce a significant number of regulations and guidance. I extend that offer to members—if they want to speak to me about any of these matters, I will always be willing to hear from them. I know that all parties have a genuine desire for the bill to be implemented successfully and to achieve the positive outcomes for carers that it aspires to achieve, to which we all collectively aspire.

I move,

That the Parliament agrees that the Carers (Scotland) Bill be passed.

16:09  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15561, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the Carers (Scotland) Bill. I invite members who wish to speak in...
The Minister for Sport, Health Improvement and Mental Health (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I am delighted to open the stage 3 debate on the Carers (Scotland) Bill. If the Parliament agrees to pass the bill, as I hope it will after the debate, today...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
That appears to contradict the view of the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Economy, who has put severe limits on what local authorities can d...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I am afraid that I do not agree with that. Given that we are talking about care today, I might reflect on the fact that we are providing a substantial packag...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
There are a large number of people whom I need to thank for their work on the bill over the past weeks and months. I thank our committee clerks and the legis...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I endorse the thanks that have already been given to all those who have helped with the progress of the bill through its parliamentary stages. When I first ...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
It gives me great pleasure to speak in the debate. Just before the debate, I met a group of carers who came to the Parliament with Enable Scotland to celebra...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
It is a privilege for me to be involved in the debate and, over the years, to have met and worked with carers, whether those in my family, those whom I knew ...
Joan McAlpine SNP
I appreciate what Johann Lamont says about care workers and their importance. Since she raises the issue, will she tell us whether she will be encouraging La...
Johann Lamont Lab
Absolutely. There is no doubt about the Labour Party’s commitment to the living wage and to respect for care workers. The point that I would make is that car...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I support the bill and I am pleased that it has reached and been amended at stage 3. I hope that it will provide a framework of support for the 745,000 adult...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Mr Hume will have heard my remarks and I hope that he accepts them in good faith. We will monitor the efficacy of the approach that we have legislated for. I...
Jim Hume LD
I appreciate that the minister has put that on the record. I never doubted that he would mention the commitment to review the approach, which he made in good...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
Legislation can take a long time to work its way on to the statute books, but it is just the tip of an iceberg. Underneath it, a host of people and organisat...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
There are almost 800,000 carers in Scotland. Although around 30,000 to 40,000 people stop caring for a loved one each year, the overall number hardly varies,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the closing speeches. I call Jackson Carlaw—I can give you a generous four minutes. 16:47
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I might disappoint you, Presiding Officer, by not fully utilising them.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
That will be fine.
Jackson Carlaw Con
In an afternoon in which we draw all the deliberations on the Carers (Scotland) Bill to a conclusion, I acknowledge the bill’s importance. Throughout its pro...
Rhoda Grant Lab
This has been a good debate. Many of us can draw on our own experiences, as many of us have been carers at one point or another. However, we would not be her...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
On a point of information, that funding will go to health and social care partnerships, which are an integral partner of local government. It is important to...
Rhoda Grant Lab
It will indeed go to health and social care partnerships, but it is going through the health budgets, not the local government budgets, so the health boards ...
Joan McAlpine SNP
We have spent hours and years discussing health and social care integration. The care packages are delivered by people in the community and the joint boards....
Rhoda Grant Lab
Many of the joint boards will not be set up until this April, and the money is going to health boards, not to local government, as the Scottish Government ke...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank all the members who have contributed to the debate; they have done so with genuine respect for Scotland’s carers. I welcome the insight that has been...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Given the number of concerns that people have about the resourcing of the bill and the costs of its delivery, if the money that is set out in the financial m...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
As welcome as it was, Ms Grant’s intervention was unnecessary. I will go on to say what I was going to say. I still consider the financial memorandum to be ...
Johann Lamont Lab
If COSLA comes forward with figures that confirm that there is a problem, will the minister give a commitment to look at them and change the financial memora...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Minister, could you begin to wind up, please?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I can, indeed. What Johann Lamont said seems to be a case of reading between the lines. I have specifically said to COSLA that I am happy to take any figure...