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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 04 February 2016

04 Feb 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Carers (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Hepburn, Jamie SNP Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Watch on SPTV

Amendments 2 and 6 are designed to provide absolute clarity about our intentions: they replace “may” with “must” in sections 6A and 11A, so that those sections will read:

“The Scottish Ministers must by regulations prescribe timescales for the preparation of”

adult carer support plans and young carer statements in relation to carers of terminally ill cared-for persons.

It has always been my intention to bring forward such regulations, since we amended the bill at stage 2, but I hope that those regulations put beyond doubt the sincerity of such intentions. There will, of course, be a consultation on the draft regulations, which will be subject to the affirmative procedure. Again, I give a commitment to ensure that relevant stakeholders—COSLA, local government, carers and their representative organisations—are involved in that process.

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The effect of amendments 23 and 26 to sections 6A and 11A respectively, combined with the effects of the existing provisions, would be that the Scottish ministers would be required to set timescales for all adult carer support plans and young carer statements and would be allowed to make different provision for plans and statements when the cared-for person was terminally ill. I understand the intention behind the amendments but, as I set out at stage 2, I am not persuaded that setting general timescales for the preparation of all adult carer support plans and young carer statements is appropriate. Doing so could result in local authorities having to devote a disproportionate amount of their resources to preparing plans in order to meet the timescales, which could limit the resources that might otherwise be available for the provision of support. There is also a risk that local authorities’ focus might shift away from the completion of good-quality plans. Because of the timescales set for some carers, the preparation of a plan will be an iterative process rather than a one-off intervention.

Nevertheless, I understand that carers will want an indication of approximately how long it will take to prepare an adult carer support plan or young carer statement. There is, therefore, already provision in the bill, in section 28(2)(f), that a local carer strategy must set out the authority’s intended timescales for preparing adult carer support plans and young carer statements. That provision has been in the bill since it was first presented to Parliament. I therefore ask that amendments 23 and 26 not be moved.

I move amendment 2.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Carers (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as amended at st...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Unusually, I am not sure whether your microphone is on. I am having considerable difficulty hearing you, which might ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you, Mr Carlaw. I will take the muffler off my microphone; apparently I am usually very loud. I will try to speak more into the microphone, and perhaps...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Group 1 is on the meaning of “young carer”. Amendment 21, in the name of Rhoda Grant, is the only amendment in the group.
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I would never have dreamed of putting a muffler on your microphone. Amendment 21 was lodged because of concerns from the Scott...
The Minister for Sport, Health Improvement and Mental Health (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
The definition of young carer that is presently on the face of the bill aligns with the named person service provisions as set out in the Children and Young ...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Given the reassurances that regulations will cover the point that amendment 21 would deal with, I would like to withdraw it. Amendment 21, by agreement, wit...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Group 2 is on the exercise of functions and taking account of equalities matters. Amendment 1, in the name of Rhoda Grant, is grouped with amendments 3, 5, 7...
Rhoda Grant Lab
These amendments arose from evidence about the needs of carers from different ethnic backgrounds. The way in which support is provided to carers has sometime...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank Ms Grant for lodging the amendments. As she said, we worked together between stages 2 and 3 to ensure that the amendments reinforce the importance of...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I thank the minister for those comments. These amendments are very important. Amendment 1 agreed to.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Group 3 is on the preparation of adult carer support plans and young carer statements in relation to the delegation of functions. Amendment 22, in the name o...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Amendments 22 and 25 make it possible for a local authority to allow a voluntary organisation or indeed any other organisation to complete the adult carer su...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I fully support the intention behind the amendments. I see great merit in carer centres and other third sector organisations being involved in the preparatio...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I have listened carefully to what the minister has said. Given his reassurance that section 25 covers the matter, I seek leave to withdraw amendment 22. Ame...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The next group of amendments concerns timescales for the preparation of adult carer support plans and young carer statements. Amendment 2, in the name of the...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Amendments 2 and 6 are designed to provide absolute clarity about our intentions: they replace “may” with “must” in sections 6A and 11A, so that those sectio...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I welcome the Government’s amendments, which strengthen the wording in the bill. My amendments 23 and 26 make it clear that the Scottish Government can set t...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank Rhoda Grant for her question, which is a fair one. I re-emphasise the point that I made in my opening remarks, that, since the bill was first present...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Group 5 is on information about future arrangements, including bereavement support. Amendment 4, in the name of Rhoda Grant, is grouped with amendments 24, 8...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Amendments 4 and 8 seek to allow for the planning statement to contain information on the future care arrangements for a cared-for person. We will all have c...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I speak in support of amendments 14, 24 and 27. When a carer loses a loved one or someone to whom they have become emotionally attached through caring for th...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
I want to highlight the importance of carers centres in providing continued support to carers who have suffered bereavement. Many of those centres, including...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank Ms Grant for lodging these amendments. I recognise that future care planning is just as important as emergency care planning to a carer’s health and ...
Johann Lamont Lab
Does the minister recognise that there is a continuum for a person who has cared for, cares for and then loses someone? Because they are living with the cons...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I absolutely agree with the point that Johann Lamont has made. I suppose that my point is that we are not just expressing sentiments, but are making the law....
Rhoda Grant Lab
I am listening carefully to what the minister is saying. Does he think that it would be appropriate to put in place guidance for local authorities to ensure ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Again, I am quite happy to reflect on that suggestion. It is essential that we have good guidance that covers all eventualities. I have clearly made the poin...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I listened carefully to what the minister said about amendments 24 and 27, as I know that we are all concerned about the support that carers get when they fa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Group 6 is on local eligibility criteria: role of the Scottish ministers. Amendment 28, in the name of Rhoda Grant, is grouped with amendments 29 to 31. I po...