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Meeting of the Parliament 02 February 2016

02 Feb 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education (Scotland) Bill
Smith, Liz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

You keep changing the amount of time, Presiding Officer.

Mark Griffin made a very interesting point when he opened for the Labour Party. When we look at a bill, we have to ask what it is for, what it is trying to do and what problems it is trying to address. The Education (Scotland) Bill, which we will support at decision time, is a little mixed in terms of success.

There have been several problems with the bill. Some relate to language and a lack of clarity in the drafting in various sections and in some parts of the policy memorandum, where different terminology has been used in different places, although the intention has been that the meaning should be the same..

It is also absolutely clear that there has been a lack of consultation on several key aspects of the bill, which has taken away from some of the very good intentions that span it.

I will deal a little bit with testing. As I said when we looked at the amendments earlier, we are very firm in our commitment to the process of testing, because we think that there has to be consistency and an ensured standard that is understandable and acceptable to parents and teachers and which allows us to draw down the important data that we need to measure a particular child’s progress.

The bill is not about having more testing. I think that some of our recent debate has clouded the actual intentions with regard to testing, and I believe firmly that the intention is to have a mixture of diagnostic testing and some of the normative, formative testing that already happens in schools. At the moment, we do not have the consistency that we need to address whether our educational standards are improving. As Mark Griffin said, that is a very important aspect of raising attainment across the board and trying to narrow the attainment gap. Nobody is in any doubt about that, but the terminology that describes how we go about achieving that in some parts of the bill is difficult.

There is no doubt that there are great pressures on local authorities. My colleague Mary Scanlon spoke about the Gaelic community. The bill does some great things, but at the end of the day it is very difficult for some local authorities to hire Gaelic teachers, who are absolutely essential if we are to provide Gaelic-medium education.

We have spoken quite a lot about additional support needs. That is a crucial issue, too, but it is wound up in complexity—sometimes, it is a legal complexity—and that has made the bill difficult.

The intentions behind the bill are very good. It is a pity that it is a mixed bill: it tries to do an awful lot of catch-up in areas where post-legislative scrutiny has perhaps not been particularly good, and we have used it as a catch-all for some very important issues.

There are lots of good intentions behind the bill, which is why we support it, but there are some key lessons for the Scottish Government on how it should approach the bill. Two of the most important are that it should ensure, first, that the stakeholders—those who will deliver—are properly and fully consulted, and, secondly, that we have great clarity of language about what we are trying to do.

17:44  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15221, in the name of Angela Constance, on the Education (Scotland) Bill. 17:04
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Angela Constance) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 3 debate on the Education (Scotland) Bill. I thank members for their contributions this afternoon, and I thank the Finance Com...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
We come to the chamber today to debate the Education (Scotland) Bill in its final form and, in all likelihood, to pass the bill at decision time tonight. I h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Before I call Mary Scanlon, I will just warn the open-debate speakers that they have three minutes each. Mary Scanlon has up to five minutes. 17:18
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. First, I have to say that in terms of developing, consulting on and passing the bill, the Scottish Government has fallen far sh...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Mary Scanlon Con
Finally, I want to say that I am delighted that we now have standardised assessment. I hope that no child will be left behind. I hope that it will be a diagn...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate, with speeches of up to three minutes, please. 17:23
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am proud of the Government’s record on education. The recent report on Scotland’s schools by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development rev...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
We can make no greater investment than ensuring that our children get the best start in life. We all want Scotland to have a world-class education system to ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Like others, I thank everyone who helped the committee in our gathering of evidence. It was more of a challenge than usual, partly because of the eclectic mi...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I, too, welcome the passage of the bill and support what it wants to achieve. As I have said, the Scottish Government is to be commended for putting educatio...
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab
Some aspects of the legislation are okay as far as they go; with some, it is for the best that they do not go further; and with others, it is a pity that the...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
The Scottish Green Party welcomes the introduction of a duty on ministers to reduce inequalities of outcome, although we would have preferred a focus on incr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to closing speeches. Liz Smith has up to four minutes. 17:40
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
You keep changing the amount of time, Presiding Officer. Mark Griffin made a very interesting point when he opened for the Labour Party. When we look at a ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Let me start by congratulating the cabinet secretary on getting the Education (Scotland) Bill to this stage and on its imminent approval—I believe—by the Par...
Angela Constance SNP
I have been a minister for five years and, as chance would have it, this is my first piece of legislation. I am quite sure that, when I get home tonight, my ...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
You need to close, cabinet secretary.
Angela Constance SNP
There is often a debate about outcomes in education. It is important that we talk about outcomes and how they vary depending on a child’s background or where...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You need to close, cabinet secretary.
Angela Constance SNP
By and large, over the weeks and months we have had a constructive debate about the Education (Scotland) Bill, which is very much a new stage of our journey ...