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Meeting of the Parliament 02 February 2016

02 Feb 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education (Scotland) Bill
Scanlon, Mary Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

Thank you, Presiding Officer. First, I have to say that in terms of developing, consulting on and passing the bill, the Scottish Government has fallen far short of what may be considered best practice in any democratic institution. Despite that experience, we will support the bill.

I put on the record my thanks to Stewart Maxwell. It is not an easy job to convene the Education and Culture Committee but he did it fairly, in a measured and thorough way. I thank him for allowing me and other members time to speak to amendments where previous consultation on the whole issue simply did not exist.

The Gaelic entitlement that was promised in the Scottish National Party manifesto became an administrative process by which to consider parents’ requests for their children to learn Gaelic. Having raised those issues at stage 1, I am delighted and pleased that the minister has now responded with a presumption in favour of Gaelic. With about eight weeks to go before I retire, I think that I can take the credit for making sure that the SNP manifesto has been implemented in this Parliament.

I hope that the measures that we will pass today will lead to more people learning Gaelic and I hope that they will lead to more investment in the language. However, any outcome will not be based on us sitting here patting ourselves on the back and saying, “Haven’t we done a good job on Gaelic?” The bill will be a success only if we work in partnership with local authorities to ensure that what we pass today is implemented. We would be arrogant to think otherwise.

We are told that the cost of a full assessment will be £25,000. We have heard from councils that, if that is the case, they will have to stop providing music tuition, because the money has to come from somewhere. Later this week, we will look at the budget. The bill will create additional costs for local authorities, when there is talk all around of cuts of £500 million to the same local authorities. Therefore, we have to be realistic and honest. Whatever we do, we have to work in partnership and with respect for the organisations and institutions that we expect to implement our legislation.

The bill has given me an insight into the joint working between the Scottish Government and COSLA and individual local authorities. It is funny that we never hear about the historic concordat these days. Highland Council is proud of its excellent working relationship with the Scottish Government. I read all the local papers and I can confirm that it is very rare to hear Highland Council criticising the Government on the record. That was until, suddenly, with four days’ notice, the council was told that all primary 1 to 3 children would have a 25-hour week. We are told that people were queuing up to see Angela Constance, but none of them was a councillor and certainly none of them was known to Highland Council, which is a very good council with an excellent academic record. There was no consultation and no evidence base to state that the measure will benefit a child’s learning or attainment.

So rapid have the changes been to the bill that a new supplementary financial memorandum had to be issued. That financial memorandum

“does not form part of the Bill and has not been endorsed by the Parliament”,

and, of course, it has never been seen by the Finance Committee. The document states:

“Some of the new provisions will place new responsibilities and costs on local government.”

It continues:

“It is not therefore possible at this stage to say ... where all costs will fall.”

Can members understand why councillors and councils are worried?

The original estimated cost of the bill for this year was £187,000, but it is now £2.5 million. The original cost for 2020 was £0.5 million but, following stage 2, it is now £12 million, which is up 24 times on the original. There is very little indication of who will pay, where the money will come from and what the opportunity cost is.

Given that Highland Council has estimated that it will need 30 new teachers, I presume that the £4.8 million that is identified in the new financial memorandum will be used to find those teachers.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15221, in the name of Angela Constance, on the Education (Scotland) Bill. 17:04
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Angela Constance) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 3 debate on the Education (Scotland) Bill. I thank members for their contributions this afternoon, and I thank the Finance Com...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
We come to the chamber today to debate the Education (Scotland) Bill in its final form and, in all likelihood, to pass the bill at decision time tonight. I h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Before I call Mary Scanlon, I will just warn the open-debate speakers that they have three minutes each. Mary Scanlon has up to five minutes. 17:18
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. First, I have to say that in terms of developing, consulting on and passing the bill, the Scottish Government has fallen far sh...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Mary Scanlon Con
Finally, I want to say that I am delighted that we now have standardised assessment. I hope that no child will be left behind. I hope that it will be a diagn...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate, with speeches of up to three minutes, please. 17:23
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am proud of the Government’s record on education. The recent report on Scotland’s schools by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development rev...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
We can make no greater investment than ensuring that our children get the best start in life. We all want Scotland to have a world-class education system to ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Like others, I thank everyone who helped the committee in our gathering of evidence. It was more of a challenge than usual, partly because of the eclectic mi...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I, too, welcome the passage of the bill and support what it wants to achieve. As I have said, the Scottish Government is to be commended for putting educatio...
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab
Some aspects of the legislation are okay as far as they go; with some, it is for the best that they do not go further; and with others, it is a pity that the...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
The Scottish Green Party welcomes the introduction of a duty on ministers to reduce inequalities of outcome, although we would have preferred a focus on incr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to closing speeches. Liz Smith has up to four minutes. 17:40
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
You keep changing the amount of time, Presiding Officer. Mark Griffin made a very interesting point when he opened for the Labour Party. When we look at a ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Let me start by congratulating the cabinet secretary on getting the Education (Scotland) Bill to this stage and on its imminent approval—I believe—by the Par...
Angela Constance SNP
I have been a minister for five years and, as chance would have it, this is my first piece of legislation. I am quite sure that, when I get home tonight, my ...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
You need to close, cabinet secretary.
Angela Constance SNP
There is often a debate about outcomes in education. It is important that we talk about outcomes and how they vary depending on a child’s background or where...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You need to close, cabinet secretary.
Angela Constance SNP
By and large, over the weeks and months we have had a constructive debate about the Education (Scotland) Bill, which is very much a new stage of our journey ...