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Public Petitions Committee 26 January 2016

26 Jan 2016 · S4 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
In Care Survivors Service Scotland (PE1596)
Chris Daly Watch on SPTV
Thank you. Good morning. I am Chris Daly, and my colleague Paul Anderson is with me this morning. We are service users of In Care Survivors Service Scotland, and I thank the committee for inviting us to present our petition about the group. For some time now, we survivors or care experienced in Scotland have been engaged in a process of interaction with the Scottish Government, the centre for excellence for looked after children in Scotland, the Scottish Human Rights Commission and service providers, and we key stakeholders have worked together to come to a consensus on remedies for in-care abuse. It has been challenging, but we have made progress through thematic discussions and local engagement events throughout Scotland. At those events, we have worked cohesively on the issues, including the public inquiry, the support fund and the time bar and other legal aspects. Working together, we have managed to address the issues and come to a consensus on most of the issues or remedies. The SHRC’s 2010 framework on remedies for in-care historic abuse has underpinned the themes and the interaction process. The Scottish Government has made a number of commitments with regard to the public inquiry, the time bar and the support fund, although I regret to say that the issue of compensation has not been addressed. We are raising these matters today by asking the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to support the continuation of In Care Survivors Service Scotland in the context of the new service model. We are concerned about the uncertainty over the continuation of ICSSS services and the distress that that is causing us survivors. I will outline briefly the challenges that we are being presented with in continuing the positive journey towards ameliorating some of the hardships that people face in their day-to-day lives following their experience in care. The current ICSSS model, which has been running for seven years now, is a person-centred integrative approach with therapeutically trained staff; it has provided vital services to survivors of in-care abuse and is highly valued by those who use them. ICSSS provides an intensive person-centred service, and it takes the service to survivors. The new broker model has some very positive aspects that survivors welcome. The commitment of £13.5 million over five years is significant, and among the range of issues that are to be addressed, which include education, employment, accommodation and physical as well as mental health, are areas to which survivors have been drawing attention for some years now. We consider that the new broker model has the scope to embrace the work of ICSSS as a specialist contribution to the needs of survivors, which would allow the continuation of the valued ICSSS services. With that approach, we feel that there is less potential for harm to be caused by services being disrupted. Another issue of contention that concerns us is the transitioning of service users and ownership of client files or case notes. ICSSS has been ordered to hand over all client records to allow the new broker service to risk assess individual clients. Our understanding is that the client has legal ownership of files, but that needs to be clarified, given the concerns raised with the petitioners by survivors who are service users of ICSSS that confidential and highly sensitive case files are to be passed around. We who are care experienced have had some difficulty with care and treatment under the national health service model. Labels of borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder have been unhelpful; we understand that clinicians are currently working on specific diagnostic labelling for historical abuse survivors, which we hope will help with future care and treatment. As petitioners, we note that a person working in the field of trauma has suggested that “if we say it’s fear and sadness” that are legacies, that would be a better explanation of a natural human reaction to being traumatised. I look back at the brilliant interaction process with CELCIS and the Scottish Human Rights Commission, and I have to say that we were not consulted by the Scottish Government or during the interaction on the decision that ICSSS would lose its funding in March. We had understood that the service would continue, enhancing the new service and vice versa, and we believe that the essential, dedicated service and the team of development workers could be a key component of the survivor support fund service or the new broker model. ICSSS and its team are an essential element in survivors leading full, healthy and independent lives. The Scottish Government talks about an enhanced and expanded service; the relationship with ICSSS and the new broker model could be a symbiotic one, with the new broker model being enhanced. The issue is also one of survivor choice, with survivors being enabled to strive and thrive. Essentially, it is all about getting the best possible outcomes for survivors. Over the seven years of ICSSS, survivors have grown to trust it. For some, it has provided the only continuity of support but, most important, it saves lives. Safety and security lie at the heart of what ICSSS provides in times of crisis, and continuing the counselling and emotional support that it provides would be the best way of managing transitions and enhancing the package on offer to survivors. Before I hand over to Paul Anderson, I just to want to cover—

In the same item of business

The Convener Lab
The next new petition is PE1596, by Chris Daly, Paul Anderson and James McDermott, on In Care Survivors Service Scotland. Members have a note from the clerk,...
Chris Daly
Paul Anderson and I were going to split our brief opening statement, convener.
The Convener Lab
That is fine.
Chris Daly
Thank you. Good morning. I am Chris Daly, and my colleague Paul Anderson is with me this morning. We are service users of In Care Survivors Service Scotland...
The Convener Lab
Mr Daly, I must point out that you have had about 10 minutes and you are severely eating into the amount of time that will be available to committee members ...
Chris Daly
I apologise, convener. The issues are complex and many sided.
The Convener Lab
I understand that, but we can get into the complexities of the issues by asking questions. We do not have to hear everything in your statement.
Chris Daly
In that case, I will hand over to Paul Anderson, who will make a short statement that will give you a more personal slant on using the service.
The Convener Lab
That is fine.
Paul Anderson
Thank you, convener, and I thank everyone else for giving me the chance to speak. I am a survivor of child abuse. I have with me a dossier containing 19 let...
The Convener Lab
Mr Daly and Mr Anderson, thank you very much for that information. It is obvious that the service being provided is very valuable and that you are genuinely ...
Paul Anderson
I do not have the facts here, but what I have picked up suggests that because the funding is going to stop, no more referrals are being made. As a result, th...
The Convener Lab
So we are talking not about a reduction in funding but a complete cessation of funding. Is that correct?
Paul Anderson
As I understand it, yes.
The Convener Lab
Are you aware of any recommended replacement to which the funding has been redirected? Is there anything in the pipeline?
Chris Daly
What we are trying to say is that this service, which has been providing very good and at times life-saving support in times of crisis for survivors of in-ca...
Angus MacDonald SNP
I should perhaps declare an interest as a strong supporter of Open Secret, which is based in my neighbouring constituency of Falkirk East. I believe that its...
Chris Daly
As I have said, we think that ICSSS, in its current form, could enhance the new service. That would not mean that the service would have the overall tender f...
Angus MacDonald SNP
So you are looking for the money to be distributed in both directions.
Chris Daly
Yes.
Angus MacDonald SNP
Your reference to the issue of the legal ownership of records raised a concern in my mind. You are right to be concerned about the fact that the records migh...
Chris Daly
They are.
Angus MacDonald SNP
Will Open Secret will be required to release those records to whichever agency takes on the case?
Chris Daly
It has been ordered to do that, but I am not sure about the legality of that approach. My understanding is that the ownership of the files lies with the clie...
Angus MacDonald SNP
I can understand the concern of survivors about those files being released to other agencies. Perhaps the committee can check the position.
The Convener Lab
I am happy for us to discuss that.
John Wilson Ind
Like Angus MacDonald, I am aware of the work that Open Secret has done and know that it originally tendered to deliver the services of ICSSS seven years ago....
Chris Daly
I put in a freedom of information request to the Scottish Government about facts and figures, including the costings for some things, but the Scottish Govern...
John Wilson Ind
In response to a question from Jackie Baillie in June last year, the cabinet secretary said that the Scottish Government had announced funding of £13.5 milli...
Chris Daly
After discussions with survivors and development workers at ICSSS, we came up with a plan for how ICSSS and the new brokering model could co-exist in a way t...