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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 28 January 2016

28 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Finnie, John Ind Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I, too, thank the witnesses for their thought-provoking written and oral evidence. I hope that they are reassured by the stage 1 report that their comments were taken on board. I also thank the officials for their compilation of the report and the Scottish Government for its response.

Like others, I want to talk about jury directions. I have changed my mind on the issue. Initially, I was persuaded that the availability of expert evidence that could be put forward by the prosecution or the defence was an even-handed way of addressing the issues of delay in reporting and resistance, but I have changed my position and will explain why.

The committee has agreed that the proposed statutory directions would provide relevant factual information for juries—I do not think that that is in dispute—and would lead to directions being delivered more consistently than is currently the case.

Partly, I have been persuaded to change my position by headlines such as “Campaigners’ fury as appeal judges clear bottom groper of sex attack in nightclub”. That story involves a gentleman who was initially found guilty of sexual assault and placed on the sex offenders register—properly, in my opinion—and who appealed the sentence. In his judgment, the judge who heard the appeal said that it seemed that the sheriff who passed the original sentence

“has not given sufficient attention to the fact that the appellant had consumed a considerable amount of drink beforehand, with the result that the assault can be regarded as drink-fuelled rather than overtly sexual.”

That is deeply damaging to a lot of work that has gone on.

Alison McInnes referred to another case, which is one that prompted me to lodge a parliamentary motion. It involved repeated rapes of an adult and the sexual abuse of children. The trial judge referred to the matter as minor, criticised the adult victim for a delay in reporting the assaults, claimed that the victim was “condoning” or “acquiescing” in being raped, pointed out that the person continued to live with the accused and talked about the parties’ “benefit-grubbing existence”.

My motion welcomed

“both the Appeal Court’s comments that the trial judge ‘had no basis for his theories’ and the increased sentence that it handed down”.

However, my motion talked about the damage that the case has done to

“the good and difficult work carried out by the police, prosecuting authorities, statutory and third-sector organisations to build victims’ confidence in coming forward to report sexual crime”

and called on

“the judicial authorities to examine selection procedures and training, including offering remedial training if required”—

a need that I felt that case graphically illustrated.

Lord Carloway addressed the matter head on when he attended the committee. He said:

“It is important that a judge should feel free to state exactly why he has selected a particular sentence and be given free rein to explain his reasoning. If in the course of that reasoning he says something that the appeal court determines is wrong, we will say that, as we did in that particular case, and we will expect the judge to take into account the appeal court’s view and to act accordingly.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 8 December 2015; c 44.]

That is one reason for the bill. Christian Allard also touched on the compelling evidence that we have received from the Scottish Human Rights Commission. It is about striking a balance between rights and, in terms of jury directions, I believe that we have got the balance right.

Beyond that, there are other issues that we need to deal with, such as judicial training. The cabinet secretary talked about unenlightened views, and it is apparent that they exist not just among the public. If, as someone whose views I admire says, the judiciary have had their chance and it is time to legislate, and if this is appropriate and balanced legislation, the Green/Independent group will support it.

16:41  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15441, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill. I invit...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I thank the Justice Committee, the clerks to the committee and the people who gave evidence during stage 1 scrutiny of the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary confirm whether the research to which he refers includes actual jurors?
Michael Matheson SNP
The member may have misheard the point that I made. It was about research into how people react during a sexual offence or after such an offence has been com...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
The committee would very much welcome that change, as it was one of the committee’s recommendations. I think that there would have been issues with the Europ...
Michael Matheson SNP
The intention was always that the individual would have the right to make representations. To put the matter beyond any doubt, we are considering whether the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Cabinet secretary, will you draw to a close?
Michael Matheson SNP
I welcome the committee’s support in its stage 1 report for the general principles of the bill. I move, That the Parliament agrees to the general principle...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Many thanks. I reiterate to members that there is no spare time in the debate. I call on Christine Grahame to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee. You ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee, which has scrutinised the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill. I thank our witnesses ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I thank the clerks, as well as the witnesses who gave written and oral evidence at stage 1. Two parts of the bill were more contentious than the rest: judi...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill is an important piece of proposed legislation, which seeks to address hugely vexing, emotive and, in so...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
We now move to the open debate. I ask for four-minute speeches, as we are tight for time. 16:04
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I rise to speak to one of the most significant sections of the bill: that relating to statutory jury directions in relation to sexual offences. I declare an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Please draw to a close, Mr Paterson.
Gil Paterson SNP
I have been asked to wind up, so I will just say that we need to educate jurors. Juries must have an open mind and judges giving jury directions will help to...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the bill. I will take each of its six main proposals in turn. I support the introduction of a domestic abuse aggravator, which will allow the rele...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member must draw to a close, please.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
Time is running out. There is a great deal in the bill about the civil orders, and a little bit less about sexual offences committed elsewhere in the UK, but...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
A person knows what sexual and domestic abuse are if they have been a victim of either, but refining a specific set of criminal offences that can bring about...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak after Christina McKelvie, as I know that she has campaigned long and hard on the issue, as I have. I thank the Government for introduc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You should draw to a close, please.
Alison McInnes LD
There are worryingly prevalent views, and if that is the picture across Scotland, it will be in jurors’ minds in the courtroom as they hear evidence and will...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I add my thanks to the Justice Committee team—the clerks and members of the committee—for putting together the stage 1 report, and I thank the Scottish Gover...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Christian Allard SNP
I remind members that organisations such as Zero Tolerance, Rape Crisis Scotland, the Women’s Support Project, Scottish Women’s Aid, White Ribbon Scotland, E...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill is vital legislation that has been introduced to improve how the justice system responds to abusive beh...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
I refer members to my entry in the register of interests, which says that I am a member of the Faculty of Advocates. The bill contains six distinct elements...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It is with interest that I speak about the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill, which aims to bring Scottish law up to date with changes in soc...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, thank the witnesses for their thought-provoking written and oral evidence. I hope that they are reassured by the stage 1 report that their comments w...