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Meeting of the Parliament 28 January 2016

28 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Allard, Christian SNP North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I add my thanks to the Justice Committee team—the clerks and members of the committee—for putting together the stage 1 report, and I thank the Scottish Government for its response. We are all going in the same direction when it comes to tackling revenge porn.

I said “revenge porn” because “abusive behaviour and sexual harm” will not do. Revenge porn is really what it is all about.

We heard a lot of evidence on cases of revenge porn, which we are calling abusive behaviour and sexual harm. We took some of that evidence in private. It was heart-rending and very difficult to take. The cabinet secretary used some of the words that were used in his opening remarks.

The bill’s policy memorandum says:

“Concern has been expressed that certain ill-founded preconceptions held by members of the public, who make up juries, about the nature of sexual violence make understanding victims’ responses to such crimes more difficult.”

However, to me and many others that is where the problem is. Members of the public—us—have ill-founded preconceptions about the nature of sexual violence. We need to admit that. We do not understand how a victim can feel after such an attack; we do not get it unless we have been a victim, as Christina McKelvie said.

That is why I agree with the majority of the committee on supporting jury direction. We received plenty of evidence on it and how it should be set out in the bill. It should be regarded as part of judicial knowledge.

On 24 November last year, the legal officer for the Scottish Human Rights Commission, Eleanor Deeming, said:

“Article 6 of the ECHR ... protects the right to a fair trial. Article 6.1 sets out a number of general aspects for a fair trial and articles 6.2 and 6.3 set out the minimum rights to be afforded to a person accused of a criminal offence.

The commission understands that the proposal is being introduced to address a particular issue.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 24 November 2015; c 26.]

We know that the perception is that people hold misconceptions about the conduct of victims of sexual offences. I agree with the Scottish Human Rights Commission. Jury direction, as the bill proposes, will not prejudice an accused person’s article 6 rights as long as directions are essentially factual and uncontroversial statements. That is very important. They need to be exactly that.

I was very much concerned about the impact that the bill could have on young people, but I did not need to be, as the convener of the committee stated. The Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland, Tam Baillie, put my mind at rest when he gave evidence. He agreed that we do not need to have concern about judicial direction being given. He also agreed that calling expert witnesses to give context is not the most efficient way to proceed.

I want to emphasise one particular point. As the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland put it:

“In the fullness of time, as a result of public education and greater awareness, judicial direction may not be needed.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 24 November 2015; c 28.]

That is a very important point to repeat.

I am short of time, so I will not be able to develop what I wanted to say about another part of the bill.

One in four women will experience domestic abuse in her lifetime. One in 10 women in Scotland has been raped. Some 21 per cent of girls and 11 per cent of boys in the UK have experienced child sexual abuse. That is why Parliament needs to back the stage 1 report and to agree with the majority of the committee that jury direction is an important part of the bill. Attitudes need to change before we can consider dealing with that.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15441, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill. I invit...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I thank the Justice Committee, the clerks to the committee and the people who gave evidence during stage 1 scrutiny of the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary confirm whether the research to which he refers includes actual jurors?
Michael Matheson SNP
The member may have misheard the point that I made. It was about research into how people react during a sexual offence or after such an offence has been com...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
The committee would very much welcome that change, as it was one of the committee’s recommendations. I think that there would have been issues with the Europ...
Michael Matheson SNP
The intention was always that the individual would have the right to make representations. To put the matter beyond any doubt, we are considering whether the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Cabinet secretary, will you draw to a close?
Michael Matheson SNP
I welcome the committee’s support in its stage 1 report for the general principles of the bill. I move, That the Parliament agrees to the general principle...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Many thanks. I reiterate to members that there is no spare time in the debate. I call on Christine Grahame to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee. You ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee, which has scrutinised the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill. I thank our witnesses ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I thank the clerks, as well as the witnesses who gave written and oral evidence at stage 1. Two parts of the bill were more contentious than the rest: judi...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill is an important piece of proposed legislation, which seeks to address hugely vexing, emotive and, in so...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
We now move to the open debate. I ask for four-minute speeches, as we are tight for time. 16:04
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I rise to speak to one of the most significant sections of the bill: that relating to statutory jury directions in relation to sexual offences. I declare an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Please draw to a close, Mr Paterson.
Gil Paterson SNP
I have been asked to wind up, so I will just say that we need to educate jurors. Juries must have an open mind and judges giving jury directions will help to...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the bill. I will take each of its six main proposals in turn. I support the introduction of a domestic abuse aggravator, which will allow the rele...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member must draw to a close, please.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
Time is running out. There is a great deal in the bill about the civil orders, and a little bit less about sexual offences committed elsewhere in the UK, but...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
A person knows what sexual and domestic abuse are if they have been a victim of either, but refining a specific set of criminal offences that can bring about...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak after Christina McKelvie, as I know that she has campaigned long and hard on the issue, as I have. I thank the Government for introduc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You should draw to a close, please.
Alison McInnes LD
There are worryingly prevalent views, and if that is the picture across Scotland, it will be in jurors’ minds in the courtroom as they hear evidence and will...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I add my thanks to the Justice Committee team—the clerks and members of the committee—for putting together the stage 1 report, and I thank the Scottish Gover...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Christian Allard SNP
I remind members that organisations such as Zero Tolerance, Rape Crisis Scotland, the Women’s Support Project, Scottish Women’s Aid, White Ribbon Scotland, E...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill is vital legislation that has been introduced to improve how the justice system responds to abusive beh...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
I refer members to my entry in the register of interests, which says that I am a member of the Faculty of Advocates. The bill contains six distinct elements...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It is with interest that I speak about the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill, which aims to bring Scottish law up to date with changes in soc...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, thank the witnesses for their thought-provoking written and oral evidence. I hope that they are reassured by the stage 1 report that their comments w...