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Meeting of the Parliament 10 December 2015

10 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill
Allard, Christian SNP North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I have already made the point, but I will make it again: it is very important that members understand the strength of this Parliament, particularly in respect of the fact that Opposition members can introduce member’s bills. That is fantastic—it is a very great thing. Not only that—I will come back to this at the end of my speech—but a person can, by giving evidence to a committee, change a bill. It is quite incredible that not only Opposition members but people who give evidence to committees can contribute to the drafting of a bill. I am, of course, talking about retired Flt Lt Jones.

As a member of the Justice Committee, I am delighted to see the passage of another of the many bills that the committee has scrutinised this year. I thank committee members and the clerks, who will be delighted that this is the second stage 3 that we have done this week.

The bill will modernise the fatal accident inquiry process and make it effective, efficient and fair. I think that, following recent events, it is right that I remind Parliament that the interest of families in a fatal accident inquiry is in ascertaining the circumstances around and the cause of a death. The primary concern for all of us must be that we do not confuse a fatal accident inquiry with procedures in civil courts in which questions of blame are addressed. It is very important that we see that principle through, but it is clear that at stage 1, stage 2 and now stage 3, some members have wanted to move towards a more adversarial kind of inquiry. I do not think that that will help the process; it will certainly not help the family to get more of an understanding from the process.

There are two things that I would like to address quickly—one has been mentioned already. Scotland will be the first jurisdiction in the UK to allow inquiries into deaths that have occurred abroad without repatriation of the body of the deceased. It is important that families and the public understand that that will be the case only in exceptional circumstances. As the minister said, we have gone beyond the practice in England and Wales, and quite rightly so. He also said:

“it is a very important advance that that possibility should exist, particularly as that is not the case in England and Wales.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 3 November 2015; c 19.]

I very much welcome that, and the reassurance that it will give to many people in Scotland and people who are working abroad in sometimes challenging conditions. I am thinking in particular about oil workers from the north-east of Scotland who work across the world.

The second point that I would like to address concerns retired Flt Lt James Jones, who gave evidence to the committee. It is fantastic to see that one person can make so much difference. I very much look forward to the passage of the order under section 104 of the Scotland Act 1998 that will ensure that those who risk their lives for us can be assured of appropriate inquests. That is particularly important when we ask them again and again to make the ultimate sacrifice overseas. Once again, I thank retired Flt Lt James Jones for coming to the committee because, without his efforts, that provision might not have been possible.

The lessons of the past have been learned, and I look forward to a fair settlement for service personnel in Scotland.

16:26  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15113, in the name of Paul Wheelhouse, on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotl...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise the Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Inquiries into Fat...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
I am delighted to open this stage 3 debate on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill. The law relating to the investigation...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, fatal accident inquiries into the circumstances of deaths are undertaken in the public interest in order to determine the time, place and c...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I acknowledge Patricia Ferguson’s significant involvement in this legislative process following the withdrawal of her own bill, and her co-operation with the...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
It has been said by Margaret Mitchell and in other contributions that, somehow, this has not been a proper democratic process. However, it has been. A Govern...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Point made. Thank you very much.
Margaret Mitchell Con
The point is that the SNP has a majority on seven out of nine subject committees in the—
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
What about Westminster?
Margaret Mitchell Con
I accept Ms Grahame’s sedentary remark, but there are checks and balances in the Westminster Government; indeed, that has been proved quite recently by decis...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
Will Margaret Mitchell give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member is just closing.
Margaret Mitchell Con
There is no doubt that individuals who are detained under mental health legislation are among the most vulnerable people in society, but today the SNP Govern...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to the open debate. 16:22
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I have already made the point, but I will make it again: it is very important that members understand the strength of this Parliament, particularly in respec...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
This afternoon, when we pass the bill—as we will, with Labour support—we will make some significant changes to the FAI system. However, I cannot help but obs...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
The legislation that governs the fatal accident inquiry system is nearly 40 years old, and it has been six years since Lord Cullen reported on his review int...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I hear rumblings about the Scottish National Party’s overall majority. For eight years in here, we had a Labour-Liberal coalition majority, with a majority o...
Elaine Murray Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Christine Grahame SNP
No, I am going to proceed, because I have heard enough. We had eight years of that approach. I very much welcome the legislation and commend the work of Jus...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Article 2 of the European convention on human rights creates a right to life and, with it, the duty on the state to investigate the loss of life. That is a d...
Christine Grahame SNP
There will not be any aeroplanes.
John Finnie Ind
Christine Grahame is right that there will not be any aeroplanes. Members’ experiences are all different. I have experience of an FAI into a death in custod...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the stage 3 debate on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill and I share in the tributes that have already been p...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The absence of rancour in the debate and the support that exists across the chamber for the bill reflect well on the work that has been done by the members o...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I call Paul Wheelhouse to wind up the debate. I can give you eight minutes, Mr Wheelhouse. 16:54
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I record my thanks to members for their contributions to the debate. Before I go through the detail, it is important to address the point that Graeme Pearso...
Christine Grahame SNP
I know that the minister is about to run out of time, but before he does, will he answer my question about the death of service personnel in Scotland, for wh...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
On whether the legislation in relation to military FAIs will be retrospective, the answer is no. A discretionary FAI will have been considered at the time of...