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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 27 January 2016

27 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fuel Poverty

As we speak, there are approximately 1.8 million people in Scotland—that is 35 per cent of all Scottish households—who are in fuel poverty this winter. Of those households, 9.5 per cent are in extreme fuel poverty, requiring more than 20 per cent of their income to pay for fuel. Some even have to make the tough choice between paying for tomorrow’s breakfast and turning the heating on for another hour, because they cannot afford to have both. No one should have to face that trade-off in this day and age in Scotland. It is a trade-off that has not improved in the past two years and which the Scottish Government has a duty to remove from every household, yet what the Administration has done has led to no real change to the fuel poverty level in 2014 from the year before. Instead, the Scottish Government again blames others, points the finger and states that it has little control over fuel price changes, while failing to recognise that its own target will not be met.

The Government’s argument that it does not have power over fuel prices and its contentment with pointing the finger of blame for the rise of fuel poverty at everything but its inaction are like saying that if people did not get sick the health system would be able to reach all its targets. Any Government should be working flat out to contain an imminent threat to public health, so why is the Government not working flat out to contain the threat to public health that is fuel poverty? It is a deeply disappointing stance, and the denial of the facts on the ground can only cause more problems and provides no solutions.

Some of the most recent fuel price increases have been mitigated by increased incomes, but what about those whose incomes remain below the income poverty line and those who are over the income poverty line but are still in fuel poverty? It raises the question of whether the definition of fuel poverty needs to be updated, as recommended by the independent adviser on poverty and inequality in her report to the First Minister last week. That report stated that

“over half of all ‘fuel poor’ households probably wouldn’t be classified as ‘income poor’ ... the fuel poverty definition needs to be looked at again—so that future programmes focus more specifically on helping those in fuel poverty who are also in income poverty.”

Apart from differences in income, there are also major regional differences that we need to address. As the Labour amendment rightly points out, rural areas and island communities across Scotland are suffering because of cold homes. The latest figures clearly show the disproportionate impact of fuel poverty on rural areas. That is a shameful reminder to the Government of its record on the issue.

Some 43 per cent of households in Scottish Borders, 45 per cent of households in Dumfries and Galloway, 58 per cent of households in Orkney and 62 per cent of households in the Western Isles were in fuel poverty in 2013. When people’s incomes, health and comfort are in danger, we should all put aside our political differences and work to address the problems.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15432, in the name of Jim Hume, on fuel poverty. I invite members who wish to speak in the debate to pres...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
As we speak, there are approximately 1.8 million people in Scotland—that is 35 per cent of all Scottish households—who are in fuel poverty this winter. Of th...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Jim Hume LD
I hope that we will have some cross-party support from the member.
Mike MacKenzie SNP
I am glad that the member said that to a large extent the matter is beyond the Scottish Government’s control, given that the Government has no control over e...
Jim Hume LD
I disagree with the member, in that the Scottish Government is proposing a 13 per cent cut in its spending on fuel poverty. I will come on to that in due cou...
The Minister for Housing and Welfare (Margaret Burgess) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to take part in the debate. I agree with some of Jim Hume’s comments, including that Scotland is an energy-rich country and that th...
Jim Hume LD
The minister said that this Government is doing everything that it can. The cabinet secretary and another minister stated that £119 million was going into ta...
Margaret Burgess SNP
I will. As I have explained before, in the current year, we set aside and are spending £119 million on fuel poverty. The £119 million figure included £15 mil...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
Since the draft budget was published in December, on how many occasions has the minister formally requested more money for fuel poverty from the Deputy First...
Margaret Burgess SNP
The overall budget of Scotland has been cut. We got the same allocation this year as we got last year. There are pressures on all the budgets. Interruption. ...
Margaret Burgess SNP
I will take no more interventions. When I came in here, I heard the Liberals shouting for more money for education. I now hear them shouting for more money ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Margaret Burgess SNP
I cannot take an intervention; I am in my last minute. Work is under way to develop SEEP, and we continue to engage with stakeholders including the fuel pov...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Please bring your remarks to a close.
Margaret Burgess SNP
To conclude, in my remarks I have set out what the Scottish Government has done, is doing and plans to do in the future to tackle fuel poverty. I believe tha...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
Last year, the number of excess winter deaths in Scotland was the highest in more than a decade—a staggering 4,060. “Excess winter deaths” is an uncomfortabl...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Ken Macintosh Lab
I will, for Mr Don.
Nigel Don SNP
I wonder what fraction of those whom Mr Macintosh has just mentioned, when they drew up that target, expected fuel prices to increase quite disproportionatel...
Ken Macintosh Lab
Either you sign up to the targets and claim credit, as you constantly do, for the work that you are doing, or not at all. I expected better from Mr Don than ...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Ken Macintosh Lab
I will in a second. John Swinney’s budget decision not only came out the day after those terrible fuel poverty figures did, it came out a week after the Fir...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
I am grateful to Mr Macintosh for taking an intervention. The SNP Government has spent over £500 million on fuel poverty measures since 2009. I am very inter...
Ken Macintosh Lab
I thought that the amendment was feeble, but that intervention was even worse. As part of the Government that, along with the Liberal Democrats, set this tar...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must draw to a close, please.
Ken Macintosh Lab
It bears comparison with the SNP’s record. This is not just a social problem or about poverty—it is about the environment, too. I will end on this note. It ...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
I congratulate the Liberal Democrats on bringing forward this extremely important debate on a subject that, I think, has become a bit of an Achilles’ heel fo...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
I have a great deal of respect for Mr Brown’s financial literacy. Can he lay out the Conservative’s plans for eradicating fuel poverty and tell me how much t...
Gavin Brown Con
Mr MacKenzie’s approach seems to be: if two bad interventions do not make the point, try three. I sat on a cross-party committee with some of Mr MacKenzie’s...