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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 27 January 2016

27 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education (Attainment Gap)
Smith, Liz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

We are delighted that the Liberals have chosen this topic for debate, because it is incumbent on all of us, ahead of the election, to set out our manifesto stalls with regard to addressing the attainment gap. All parties in the chamber agree very much on the need for additional funding, but clearly there are sharp differences about its allocation.

The pupil premium is part of that debate. I know that the Liberals like to claim credit for the measure, but I have to correct them on that; it is actually a long-time Conservative pledge, and I have the evidence to prove that right here. The policy has some very specific advantages in doing two things: first, identifying those most in need; and secondly, creating the incentives to ensure that every effort is made to target resources on the pupils in question. I notice that, in response to Willie Rennie just last Friday, the cabinet secretary said that the policy is

“neither costed nor proven to work.”

I want to challenge her on that, given that the facts—or most of them, anyway—prove otherwise.

Before I do so, though, I want to flag up the academic work of Sue Ellis and Jim McCormick, both of whom are, I think, respected as much by the Scottish Government as by the rest of us. That work clearly shows that the majority of deprived children do not live in the most deprived areas, which means that the usefulness of the Scottish index of multiple deprivation is very limited, given that it targets the whole school or, in some cases, the whole local authority by postcode. As Iain Gray and Liam McArthur have made clear, the benefit of the pupil premium is that it follows the individual child—although there is one proviso to that, which I will come to in a minute.

In England, the 2015-16 pupil premium varies from £935 to £1,900 per annum, and that money is paid to pupils who have been eligible for a free school meal in one of the six previous years. The money is paid directly to the school on behalf of each recipient pupil—which amounts to three out of 10 pupils in England and Wales—and it can be spent by the school in a way that best fits the pupils concerned. As for Iain Gray’s comments about not banking the money, I think that there is a way round that.

Recently, there has been a great deal of attention on helping schools to focus individually on the most disadvantaged pupils. Indeed, the reports from the vast majority of headteachers make it very clear that a high proportion of them have clear evidence that the pupil premium is working for the most disadvantaged. Of course, that can be measured, more than anything else, by the outcomes in these schools. The minister will perhaps be interested to read the 2015 Sutton Trust report, which helpfully provides some of the evidence that we need to ensure that the policy can be taken forward.

The cost of pupil premiums in 2014-15 was £2.5 billion, which was 6 per cent of the total schools budget down south, but the important thing is that schools are held absolutely to account—if necessary by the Comptroller and Auditor General—for exactly how they spend the money. There are no edicts from local or central Government. There are no right answers, but there is full autonomy and accountability.

One of the best and most important lessons to be learned from schools in England is that it is entirely up to the schools not to treat disadvantaged pupils as a homogeneous group. There are other advantages, but I will not go into them just now. The Liberals probably would not accept them, because they involve the provision of greater incentives to those who are at the cutting edge of encouraging academies and free schools. That is perhaps more a debate for down south, but it is nonetheless important in principle for up here, particularly at a time when we have more parents—who, incidentally, are wedded to the best values of the state sector—wanting some diversity in the state provision of schooling. That is something that the Scottish Conservatives want.

Both the Labour Party and the Liberals have committed to much higher tax rates in order to fund education. The Scottish Conservatives will not do that. We have based our costings on the Scottish Parliament information centre figures and the Scottish Government figures that were produced at the end of last year, which include the £100 million that has been promised for the attainment fund, and we have related that to the supplementary financial memorandum to the Education (Scotland) Bill that was published last week. In that memorandum, the Scottish Government acknowledges that there are clearly significantly increased costs, so it is presumably in the business of providing that money.

To our minds, the basic amount would be £136 million. I am happy to put on the record how we calculated that.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15430, in the name of Liam McArthur, on education. I notify members at the outset that we are very tight ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I am aware that we have had numerous debates on education, even since the start of the year, but I make no apology for returning to the subject. Education, a...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
For clarity, and for members who were not involved in the informal discussion in the Education and Culture Committee, will Liam McArthur confirm that the ind...
Liam McArthur LD
I think that that is exactly what I said in my opening remarks. Scottish National Party ministers never tire of lecturing other parties on the need to offer ...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
I will not, at the moment. There would also be an opportunity to deliver on ministers’ promises on early learning and childcare. Currently, a mere 7 per cen...
Chic Brodie SNP
Given their history on tuition fees, I am always somewhat apprehensive about a Liberal Democrat talking about finances for education. How much would the pupi...
Liam McArthur LD
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The Minister for Learning, Science and Scotland’s Languages (Dr Alasdair Allan) SNP
Two weeks ago in Parliament, the cabinet secretary set out the Government’s determination to focus on the twin aims of excellence and equity in our education...
Liam McArthur LD
The minister has set out the funding that is available and has explained the “relentless focus” on those from more disadvantaged backgrounds, but he will be ...
Dr Allan SNP
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Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I rise to move the amendment in my name and, in truth, not in any great opposition to the motion from the Liberal Democrats because—Liam McArthur alluded to ...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
Will the member give way?
Iain Gray Lab
I am sorry, but I am really pushed for time. Our approach would also provide a lesser fund to nurseries for free nursery place entitlement. After all, Mr Mc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Draw to a close, please.
Iain Gray Lab
Schools in the Borders and East Ayrshire would benefit to the tune of over £100,000 a year. The proposal would lead to a transformational change in the futu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you. I am afraid that I must reiterate that we are very short of time. 15:02
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
We are delighted that the Liberals have chosen this topic for debate, because it is incumbent on all of us, ahead of the election, to set out our manifesto s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Will you draw to a close, please?
Liz Smith Con
However, we can use the supplementary financial memorandum to drill down further into that. The Scottish Conservatives are happy to put before the electorate...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We move to the open debate. I ask for speeches of four minutes, please. 15:07
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Recently, Parliament has dedicated a considerable amount of time to educational attainment, and it is quite right that we have done so. I am sure that the am...
Iain Gray Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I do not have the time—I apologise. However, a recent YouGov survey of teachers in England found that less than half of teachers believe that the pupil prem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Before I call our next speaker, I remind members that the code of conduct requires that no member in the chamber turn their back on the Presiding Officer. 1...
Alex Rowley (Cowdenbeath) (Lab) Lab
I agree with Stewart Maxwell that a range of factors will be important in closing the attainment gap. Those factors include the school buildings and faciliti...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You must close.
Alex Rowley Lab
We can learn a lot from authorities that have brought about major improvement and focused that improvement. In conclusion, I think that we have to start loo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I would appreciate members trying to keep to their four minutes. 15:16
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
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