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Meeting of the Parliament 08 December 2015

08 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill
McInnes, Alison LD North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

What a difference a couple of years makes. No other Government bill has taken this long to get through Parliament and no bill has undergone such a dramatic and crucial transformation.

At the stage 1 debate, the then Cabinet Secretary for Justice won the vote but lost the plot, attacking opponents of abolishing corroboration as a unionist cabal intent on

“selling out the victims of crime.”—[Official Report, 27 February 2014; c 28376.]

More worrying than that was that the justice secretary revealed his contempt for this Parliament by recklessly promoting what he knew by then to be seriously defective legislation. We know that he knew that, because he had belatedly and hurriedly appointed a 17-strong panel of distinguished minds who were expected to patch things up after the bill was passed. The newly appointed dean of the Faculty of Advocates described that approach as asking MSPs “to buy a pig in a poke.”

Let us not forget that 64 MSPs in this chamber, including the current Cabinet Secretary for Justice and the current First Minister, were happy to do just that. I think that that was a low point for this chamber and the Parliament because, whatever members’ views about corroboration, it became a matter of how Parliament legislates. As a business manager, I believed that our Parliament’s credibility was at stake.

In the absence of any willingness to remove the offending section of the bill, I took a different tack and urged the Government to put the whole bill on ice. Thankfully, at the 11th hour, the Government agreed to my request to suspend the bill, allowing time for Lord Bonomy’s corroboration review. His report not only vindicated that approach; his findings exposed the willingness of ministers to jeopardise the integrity of Scotland’s justice system on the basis of scant evidence and blithe assurances to this chamber.

As I said, what a difference two years makes: there is now cross-party support for the bill. Perhaps there is a wider lesson here for us on how our unicameral legislature operates, as more time between stage 1 and stage 2 for reflection and mature discussion can radically improve the quality of legislation. There is now a great deal to welcome in the bill. It will help to ensure that arrest and custody procedures are fairer, more transparent and compliant with the European convention on human rights. My successful stage 2 amendment means the introduction of codes of practice governing how the police identify suspects and conduct interviews, which is akin to the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984—PACE—codes that have existed in England and Wales for decades.

For months, ministers told Willie Rennie and me that they were comfortable with so-called consensual stop and search. I am therefore, of course, delighted that the Scottish Liberal Democrats’ campaign for its abolition will conclude today and that that discredited, intrusive and, frankly, illegal tactic will cease. It is a tactic that has damaged the relations between the police and the communities and young people they targeted; and it is a tactic that was dogged by scandal and deployed hundreds of thousands of times a year without justification.

I hope that the whole chamber will join me in thanking those who offered expert opinion and thoughtful, evidenced interventions on the issue, not least John Scott and Dr Kath Murray. However, it remains galling that the Scottish National Party Government’s reaction to Dr Murray’s landmark stop and search findings was to engineer a delay in their publication in an effort to pre-empt and discredit her research.

It is similarly worrying that the Parliament has paved the way for the creation of a search power for something that is not illegal—the possession of alcohol. Elsewhere in the bill, ministers have failed to protect children by permitting their being held in custody for 24 hours and shelving plans—for a third time—to raise the age of criminal responsibility. This Government speaks a lot about human rights, but its actions are timid.

Speaking of unfinished business, what next for corroboration? Irrespective the future of corroboration, Parliament must continually strive to improve reporting and conviction rates, particularly for sexual offences and other crimes that occur behind closed doors. Therefore, I am disappointed that the Government did not support amendment 90 in Margaret Mitchell’s name. The cabinet secretary is obstinate on the matter, but I can only conclude that he has been ill advised. There is no doubt that an individual has a locus on the narrow point, and the amendment was not about banning access to any medical records but merely about giving victims a voice at the time when those records are sought.

Lord Bonomy provides a starting point on measures that are worth while regardless of the future for corroboration. As I said, it is disappointing that we have not taken the opportunity to allow people to be represented in court.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15087, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill.
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Given that the consideration of amendments has finished a lot sooner than expected, I wonder whether there is a possi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you. That matter is being considered and members will be advised in due course. Members who wish to speak in the debate should press their request-to-...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am delighted to open the stage 3 debate on the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill. As members are aware, the bill has had a unique passage through Parliament...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As a member of the Justice Committee, I think that the abolition of the absolute requirement for corroboration had a place in the bill and I am sorry that it...
Michael Matheson SNP
I recognise Christian Allard’s particular interest in the matter. It is not the first time that he has expressed concern about the removal of the corroborati...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that the cabinet secretary would accept that most crimes are committed in private and that it would be impossible to select certain categories of c...
Michael Matheson SNP
I am not disputing that point; I recognise the point that the member makes. I understand that many members who opposed the reform of corroboration did not d...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, the bill was introduced almost two and a half years ago, in June 2013. It has gone through a number of transformations in that period. It w...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
This stage 3 debate on the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill presents the final opportunity to thank the many witnesses and stakeholders whose contributions h...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
The final words of the introductory music to the Scandinavian crime noir, “The Bridge”, which is currently showing on BBC Four, are: “everything goes back t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You should draw to a close please.
Roderick Campbell SNP
I will leave the question of the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission and the interests of justice to my colleague Christine Grahame. This important bi...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am delighted to be able to take part in the stage 3 debate on the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill. I reiterate my thanks to Barnardo’s Scotland for its su...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
The Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill is a wide-ranging and substantial bill. We need only to read its purposes to determine that. As others have said, it has...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
What a difference a couple of years makes. No other Government bill has taken this long to get through Parliament and no bill has undergone such a dramatic a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Could you draw to a close, please?
Alison McInnes LD
Nevertheless, the Scottish Liberal Democrats will support the bill at decision time. We are proud to have been pivotal to the bill’s success by ensuring that...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you. I ask that our next two members keep to their four minutes, please. I call Alex Salmond. 18:11
Alex Salmond (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to contribute, not least to defend Kenny MacAskill, who was a fine justice secretary. I say not just to Alison McInnes but to the w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I remind members that they should not turn their backs to the chair. 18:15
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Section 1 of the bill is about the power of a constable and section 2 is about exercise of that power, which has been a key part of what we have discussed in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that members have gone slightly over the time that has been allocated for the debate, so I would appreciate it if closing speakers could keep to ...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
The bill has indeed—to quote the justice secretary—“had a unique passage”. One point that is worth making at the outset is that, despite a number of controve...
Elaine Murray Lab
I assume that decision time will be brought forward. That is pleasing because after two or more years of considering the bill, I think that I might be runnin...
Michael Matheson SNP
I listened with interest to all the comments that were made and views that were expressed during the debate. I am conscious that a number of members who spok...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I promise you that I did not touch the switch for your microphone.
Michael Matheson SNP
Okay—I believe you, of course. Alex Salmond raised the issue of tackling the knife culture. There is no doubt that there has been a massive reduction in kni...