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Meeting of the Parliament 08 December 2015

08 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

The Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill is a wide-ranging and substantial bill. We need only to read its purposes to determine that. As others have said, it has had a long and tortuous journey. It was introduced to the Parliament in 2013 and, following the stage 1 debate in 2014, the Government narrowly won a majority to proceed, including on abolition of the requirement for corroboration.

I have long opposed that abolition, not because I wish the accused to be let off with a sexual assault or a rape or those who are accused of those crimes in particular to escape conviction, but to ensure that victims, with the requirement for corroboration, have enhanced prospects of a successful prosecution and conviction. It is not about people having their day in court; it is about people having their day in court and the accused being convicted and sentenced.

I note that we may return to the subject—perhaps in the next session of Parliament, depending on who is in government—and I hope that, at that time, we will take in a comprehensive review of other issues, such as the size of the jury, the jury majority and the three verdicts that are currently available, in the High Court in particular.

The second issue on which I was in disagreement with the Government is not the stuff of headlines, but it is of considerable relevance to the Scottish justice system. It is the role of the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission, which colleagues throughout the chamber have mentioned today.

Following the decision in the case of Cadder v Her Majesty’s Advocate in 2010, the Scottish Government introduced by way of emergency legislation the Criminal Procedure (Legal Assistance, Detention and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 2010. All three stages took place on one day, which is not a good way to legislate. The act reduced the power of the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission and increased the power of the High Court sitting as the court of appeal when the SCCRC referred cases to it.

Let me explain. Before the 2010 act, a referral from the SCCRC had to be accepted by the High Court, and if the appeal was successful, it had to grant the appeal. The 2010 act changed all that and made two radical changes. First, although the SCCRC will always have considered the interests of justice and whether there might have been a miscarriage of justice, the 2010 act endowed the High Court with the power to reject a referral, even before it heard any evidence, if in its view the referral was not in the interest of justice. Secondly, even if a referral passed that second test, the High Court still had the power, notwithstanding a successful appeal, not to grant the referral if it considered that it was not in the interests of justice.

Therefore, the High Court had a gatekeeping role over its own appellate procedures, and the 2010 act created two categories of appeal: those coming straight from the High Court to the appeal court, if successful, were successful, but if they came from the SCCRC, they might be successful but then not permitted or allowed. It is simply wrong to have two categories of appeal.

At stage 2, I moved an amendment successfully, by a majority against the Government, to take us back to pre-2010 rules and I am delighted that the Government has accepted the reasons behind that amendment. I think that order has been restored.

Therefore, I am personally delighted by what has happened regarding corroboration and the role of the SCCRC. It is a pity that Mr Findlay is not present in the chamber to hear that, as he boorishly accused me of somewhat falling to the Government’s whip. I put this quite simply for him: put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr Findlay.

18:06  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15087, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill.
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Given that the consideration of amendments has finished a lot sooner than expected, I wonder whether there is a possi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you. That matter is being considered and members will be advised in due course. Members who wish to speak in the debate should press their request-to-...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am delighted to open the stage 3 debate on the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill. As members are aware, the bill has had a unique passage through Parliament...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As a member of the Justice Committee, I think that the abolition of the absolute requirement for corroboration had a place in the bill and I am sorry that it...
Michael Matheson SNP
I recognise Christian Allard’s particular interest in the matter. It is not the first time that he has expressed concern about the removal of the corroborati...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that the cabinet secretary would accept that most crimes are committed in private and that it would be impossible to select certain categories of c...
Michael Matheson SNP
I am not disputing that point; I recognise the point that the member makes. I understand that many members who opposed the reform of corroboration did not d...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, the bill was introduced almost two and a half years ago, in June 2013. It has gone through a number of transformations in that period. It w...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
This stage 3 debate on the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill presents the final opportunity to thank the many witnesses and stakeholders whose contributions h...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
The final words of the introductory music to the Scandinavian crime noir, “The Bridge”, which is currently showing on BBC Four, are: “everything goes back t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You should draw to a close please.
Roderick Campbell SNP
I will leave the question of the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission and the interests of justice to my colleague Christine Grahame. This important bi...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am delighted to be able to take part in the stage 3 debate on the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill. I reiterate my thanks to Barnardo’s Scotland for its su...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
The Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill is a wide-ranging and substantial bill. We need only to read its purposes to determine that. As others have said, it has...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
What a difference a couple of years makes. No other Government bill has taken this long to get through Parliament and no bill has undergone such a dramatic a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Could you draw to a close, please?
Alison McInnes LD
Nevertheless, the Scottish Liberal Democrats will support the bill at decision time. We are proud to have been pivotal to the bill’s success by ensuring that...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you. I ask that our next two members keep to their four minutes, please. I call Alex Salmond. 18:11
Alex Salmond (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to contribute, not least to defend Kenny MacAskill, who was a fine justice secretary. I say not just to Alison McInnes but to the w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I remind members that they should not turn their backs to the chair. 18:15
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Section 1 of the bill is about the power of a constable and section 2 is about exercise of that power, which has been a key part of what we have discussed in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that members have gone slightly over the time that has been allocated for the debate, so I would appreciate it if closing speakers could keep to ...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
The bill has indeed—to quote the justice secretary—“had a unique passage”. One point that is worth making at the outset is that, despite a number of controve...
Elaine Murray Lab
I assume that decision time will be brought forward. That is pleasing because after two or more years of considering the bill, I think that I might be runnin...
Michael Matheson SNP
I listened with interest to all the comments that were made and views that were expressed during the debate. I am conscious that a number of members who spok...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I promise you that I did not touch the switch for your microphone.
Michael Matheson SNP
Okay—I believe you, of course. Alex Salmond raised the issue of tackling the knife culture. There is no doubt that there has been a massive reduction in kni...