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Meeting of the Parliament 01 December 2015

01 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I am glad to be given the opportunity to speak in today’s debate on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. As members are aware, the bill contains four main proposals: to introduce restrictions on the sale of nicotine vapour products, commonly known as e-cigarettes; to make it an offence to smoke in a designated area outside NHS hospital buildings; to create a legal requirement for health and social care organisations to inform people who have been harmed by their care or treatment; and to establish a new criminal offence of ill treatment or wilful neglect in health and social care settings.

I would like to say a few words on each of those points. E-cigarettes are a relatively new product and their use has grown very quickly indeed. When we were working on the original smoking ban in the Parliament back in 2005, there was certainly no discussion of e-cigarettes—they were basically an unknown product. E-cigarettes were only introduced to the United Kingdom in 2006. In 2010, only 3 per cent of adult smokers in Scotland had used an e-cigarette, but by early 2014, that figure had risen to some 17 per cent.

Due to the fact that e-cigarettes are a new product, there are no longitudinal studies to show the long-term impact of using them. Public Health England has reviewed the available evidence and has concluded that vaping is safer than smoking and that it seems to support smoking cessation, with those who use NVPs having a higher success rate at stopping smoking than those who do not.

However, that does not mean that vaping is safe. We must not forget that it takes a long time for the damage caused by smoking to become evident. A lot of men started smoking during world war one, when cigarettes were handed out as rations to soldiers, but deaths caused by lung cancer did not peak in men until the 1970s. Women in general did not take up smoking until world war two, around 20 years later, and deaths from lung cancer peaked and stabilised in women in the 1990s—20 years later than men. Almost exactly the same time period—about 50 years—elapsed between men starting to smoke and peak male lung cancer deaths and women starting to smoke and maximum deaths from lung cancer in women.

Given that information, I believe that the Scottish Government is wise to be cautious and to restrict and regulate the sale and marketing of e-cigarettes. I certainly support the recommendation to make it illegal to sell NVPs to those who are under the age of 18 and the recommendation on the power to prohibit the sale of NVPs in vending machines.

I am pleased that NVP retailers will require to be registered on the tobacco and nicotine vapour product retailer register, and that they must ask for proof of age before selling e-cigarettes to customers. It is vital, with such a new product, that we protect our children from any as yet unknown health problems that may appear over time. I agree with the committee that the Scottish Government should seriously consider asking the NHS to provide national guidance on the known risks and benefits of using NVPs to stop smoking, so that people who are trying to stop can make an informed choice about which types of smoking cessation products they wish to use.

I support the Government’s proposal on the power to restrict advertising of NVPs to the point of sale. That strikes a balance between allowing smokers some information about NVPs as a safer alternative to cigarettes while not—I would hope—attracting new non-smoking customers.

Paragraph 90 of the committee’s report states:

“We support the precautionary approach adopted by the Scottish Government in relation to advertising of NVPs given the need to balance encouraging smokers to switch to NVPs as an aid to smoking cessation whilst also not attracting new ‘never smoked’ NVP users.”

I am concerned about that area. We run the risk of having the process of denormalising smoking in our society stopped in its tracks by e-cigarettes, and there is a genuine risk that the new activity of vaping and using e-cigarettes could be seen as a route back into smoking. I am concerned that much of the television and other advertising glamorises e-cigarettes and their use in an attempt to attract younger, new non-smokers to take up e-cigarettes.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15003, in the name of Maureen Watt, on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. Membe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Maureen Watt. You have 14 minutes. You can start as soon as you are ready, Ms Watt. 14:31
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I am delighted to open the stage 1 debate on the principles of the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Health and Sport Comm...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Can the minister give us an indication whether any patients who are smokers have signed themselves out of hospital early because they have been unable to smo...
Maureen Watt SNP
I am not aware of that happening. If the member has evidence of that happening, I am happy to look into it. Obviously, I hope that patients would discuss the...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Maureen Watt SNP
I have to make progress. If the member wants to ask me a question during her speech, I will happily answer it when I am closing. Key to this will be the org...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
At one time there were adverts to promote cigarettes showing Ronald Reagan giving them as Christmas gifts or Superman jumping out of a helicopter, but long g...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will begin by clarifying a question that I want to ask the minister, just so that she is clear from the outset, as I would very much like an answer in her ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I let the open debate speakers know that, at the moment, I will probably be able to give them all up to seven minutes. 15:04
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Government bill that we are discussing today makes three very important proposals: the development of policies around tobacco, nicotine and smok...
Maureen Watt SNP
The member will of course know that, in many cases, the Government’s response does not come out before the stage 1 debate and that the reply to the stage 1 r...
Nanette Milne Con
I accept the minister’s explanation but, having sat all day yesterday waiting to get the response, I would probably have been better just to ignore the infor...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
In relation to apologies, does the member welcome, as I do, section 23(2), which makes it clear that the offering of an apology, a statement of sorrow or reg...
Nanette Milne Con
I agree with the member on that. I would be very concerned if that was not stated in the bill. A similar lack of definition is cited by opponents of the pro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to the open debate. We have a bit of time in hand, so members each have seven minutes or thereby. 15:12
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am glad to be given the opportunity to speak in today’s debate on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. As members are aware, the bi...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Mr Maxwell quoted Public Health England, which in its review states that smoking prevalence has declined in adults and young people since e-cigarettes were i...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I disagree with the comments of my esteemed colleague from Aberdeen. We can see a pattern over the years in how tobacco companies have tried to get new marke...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
We all support the Scottish Government’s ambitious target to reduce smoking prevalence to 5 per cent by 2034, but the simple fact is that we are not making n...
Maureen Watt SNP
Mr Chisholm will know that, for the NHS to recommend NVPs as a smoking cessation product, they would have to be licensed. E-cigarette companies have not aske...
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
The committee will look into that issue and the complexities of the process. That certainly needs to be looked at. The need for a register is widely accepte...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Since becoming an MSP, I have taken a keen interest in reducing the harm that smoking causes. In July 2001, I proposed a regulation of smoking bill, with the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I am at a loss for words. I call Hanzala Malik, to be followed by Kevin Stewart. 15:34
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer, and good afternoon to you. When speaking in today’s stage 1 debate on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) B...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
First, the confession: I was a smoker. I started smoking when I was 14, and not because of advertising or parental influence—my parents did not smoke. There ...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
We should congratulate all the Health and Sport Committee’s members—and the clerks, of course—for all their hard work on the committee report. We are again l...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the progress that has been made on smoking by the Scottish Parliament, including members here present. When it comes to smoking, we need to strike...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
There has been a lot of focus on part 1 of the bill, and I make no apology for focusing a lot of my attention on it, too. It is interesting to hear confessi...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Are we correct to use the word “choice”? Where addictions are concerned, it is precisely the case that choice is absent because that health issue denies peop...