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Meeting of the Parliament 01 December 2015

01 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Milne, Nanette Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I accept the minister’s explanation but, having sat all day yesterday waiting to get the response, I would probably have been better just to ignore the information that came in. I am just making a general point on an issue that I feel quite strongly about.

Part 1 was generally accepted by witnesses, as the proposed controls and restrictions on the sale of nicotine vapour products such as e-cigarettes more or less mirror the current statutory restrictions on the sale of tobacco products. On balance, I think that that is sensible because, although it is accepted that NVPs do not have the same harmful effects on health as tobacco, the evidence base on long-term harm is still developing. Therefore, a proportionate and balanced approach to their availability for sale seems wise, although they undoubtedly have a place as a smoking cessation tool, alongside trained support.

The committee was concerned, however, that, due to the current cost and complexity of registering an NVP as a medicinal product, it is unlikely that many will be registered as such, which puts into question their use as smoking cessation aids. I hope that the industry will pursue that matter further with the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency.

It is prudent that retailers should have to register their intention to sell NVPs, although there might be some on-going disagreement about whether there should be separate registers for the two types of product, with one register that includes tobacco and NVP retailers, as the bill stipulates, or, indeed, one register that covers those who sell any age-restricted products, as tentatively suggested by the committee. The Government intends to provide a clear separation between NVPs and tobacco products on the website where the register is held. That is because, as I said, on current evidence, the former are considerably safer than tobacco. I think that that approach will be welcomed.

With regard to banning smoking in hospital grounds, it is right to introduce enforceable legislation because, although most if not all health boards already forbid smoking on their premises, and most people respect that, it is not a statutory requirement. As the bill progresses through Parliament, there is likely to be further debate on whether the enforceable ban on smoking should be a ban in an area that is defined by regulation as the same distance from hospital buildings for all hospital grounds, as proposed by the Government, or an area that is defined by each health board specifying its own legally enforceable perimeter, as suggested by the committee. There is also discussion to be had about possible exemptions, particularly for mental health patients.

As I said at the outset, the general principles in part 1 seem to be acceptable to most people who have engaged with the committee. Parts 2 and 3 are more controversial, with the Law Society of Scotland, the British Medical Association and the Royal College of Nursing among those who have expressed reservations. Those who are opposed to the duty of candour do not think that legislation is the way to create a culture of openness in the NHS and they emphasise that there are already requirements to be honest with patients about their treatment and any failings that occur. They feel that an apology for shortcomings is more meaningful if it is given spontaneously rather than as the result of a legally enforced duty.

Also, because harm in this context is not specifically defined, they feel that the duty is too broad and could encompass very minor events that it is not intended to cover.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15003, in the name of Maureen Watt, on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. Membe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Maureen Watt. You have 14 minutes. You can start as soon as you are ready, Ms Watt. 14:31
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I am delighted to open the stage 1 debate on the principles of the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Health and Sport Comm...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Can the minister give us an indication whether any patients who are smokers have signed themselves out of hospital early because they have been unable to smo...
Maureen Watt SNP
I am not aware of that happening. If the member has evidence of that happening, I am happy to look into it. Obviously, I hope that patients would discuss the...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Maureen Watt SNP
I have to make progress. If the member wants to ask me a question during her speech, I will happily answer it when I am closing. Key to this will be the org...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
At one time there were adverts to promote cigarettes showing Ronald Reagan giving them as Christmas gifts or Superman jumping out of a helicopter, but long g...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will begin by clarifying a question that I want to ask the minister, just so that she is clear from the outset, as I would very much like an answer in her ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I let the open debate speakers know that, at the moment, I will probably be able to give them all up to seven minutes. 15:04
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Government bill that we are discussing today makes three very important proposals: the development of policies around tobacco, nicotine and smok...
Maureen Watt SNP
The member will of course know that, in many cases, the Government’s response does not come out before the stage 1 debate and that the reply to the stage 1 r...
Nanette Milne Con
I accept the minister’s explanation but, having sat all day yesterday waiting to get the response, I would probably have been better just to ignore the infor...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
In relation to apologies, does the member welcome, as I do, section 23(2), which makes it clear that the offering of an apology, a statement of sorrow or reg...
Nanette Milne Con
I agree with the member on that. I would be very concerned if that was not stated in the bill. A similar lack of definition is cited by opponents of the pro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to the open debate. We have a bit of time in hand, so members each have seven minutes or thereby. 15:12
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am glad to be given the opportunity to speak in today’s debate on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. As members are aware, the bi...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Mr Maxwell quoted Public Health England, which in its review states that smoking prevalence has declined in adults and young people since e-cigarettes were i...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I disagree with the comments of my esteemed colleague from Aberdeen. We can see a pattern over the years in how tobacco companies have tried to get new marke...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
We all support the Scottish Government’s ambitious target to reduce smoking prevalence to 5 per cent by 2034, but the simple fact is that we are not making n...
Maureen Watt SNP
Mr Chisholm will know that, for the NHS to recommend NVPs as a smoking cessation product, they would have to be licensed. E-cigarette companies have not aske...
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
The committee will look into that issue and the complexities of the process. That certainly needs to be looked at. The need for a register is widely accepte...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Since becoming an MSP, I have taken a keen interest in reducing the harm that smoking causes. In July 2001, I proposed a regulation of smoking bill, with the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I am at a loss for words. I call Hanzala Malik, to be followed by Kevin Stewart. 15:34
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer, and good afternoon to you. When speaking in today’s stage 1 debate on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) B...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
First, the confession: I was a smoker. I started smoking when I was 14, and not because of advertising or parental influence—my parents did not smoke. There ...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
We should congratulate all the Health and Sport Committee’s members—and the clerks, of course—for all their hard work on the committee report. We are again l...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the progress that has been made on smoking by the Scottish Parliament, including members here present. When it comes to smoking, we need to strike...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
There has been a lot of focus on part 1 of the bill, and I make no apology for focusing a lot of my attention on it, too. It is interesting to hear confessi...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Are we correct to use the word “choice”? Where addictions are concerned, it is precisely the case that choice is absent because that health issue denies peop...