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Meeting of the Parliament 20 January 2016

20 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Jobs in Scotland’s New Economy

A recovery in the oil price does nothing to change the fundamental context of the world’s global carbon budget and the world’s overvaluation of the industry. We will still be overreliant on an industry that is overvalued. That is an economic bubble, not just an environmental problem. We all know what happens when economic bubbles burst. How reliant do we want to be on that industry when that moment comes?

I want to mention the Scottish Trades Union Congress’s warning, in its evidence to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee’s recent short inquiry into the oil and gas industry. We were told that, even if we took climate change right out of the equation and focused on the change in the economics of the oil industry, we would still have to be looking towards

“the transition happening much earlier than was previously anticipated”.

We were told that

“we have to be planning for the North Sea to have a shorter lifespan than previously thought”.—[Official Report, Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, 25 November 2015; c 31, 32.]

The question is not whether we share the view that this is a desirable change. The change is upon us and we must be ready, prepared and investing in the alternative.

There is the opportunity for us to get back on track with our own carbon emissions, making up the lost ground of the 10 million extra tonnes of CO2 that we put into the atmosphere when we missed the targets. That is something that I hope we can do despite the reductions in funding in the current Scottish budget for climate change and energy efficiency of 10 per cent and 13 per cent respectively. If we reverse that in the budget, we have the opportunity to get back on track with the climate change agenda.

However, we must also open up the opportunity for transition, look at the opportunity for the new industries that will emerge, not only in energy production—clean, green, renewable energy production—not only in decommissioning but in other sustainable industries, whether that is the retrofit job that has to be done on our built environment and the huge number of jobs that can come out of that agenda or the development of new science. No one can tell me or convince me that Scotland does not have what it takes to put in some of the research effort that the world is going to have to undertake to find alternative chemical feedstocks when these hydrocarbons are no longer available. There will be a period when they will be too valuable to burn, but we are not going to be able to pretend that they will continue to flow for ever.

My argument is that ministers of any political party in this Parliament have been at their best when they have been put under pressure by a Parliament bold enough to push them further, whether that be on the fracking moratorium, which I am sure Mr Ewing was delighted to have to announce, community ownership, climate change or whatever. The Green Party has a strong track record of pushing the Government beyond its own comfort zone, but it is the only political party that is willing to acknowledge that Scotland requires this transition from an overreliance on fossil fuels and which has set out the opportunities for making such a transition beneficial and good for our society and economy and ensuring that it brings us into line with the ecological limits that the planet sets down.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15356, in the name of Patrick Harvie, on jobs in Scotland’s new economy. 14:41
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I am grateful for the opportunity to bring this debate to the chamber. I am sure that I can speak to my motion with confidence that the Parliament will respo...
The Minister for Business, Energy and Tourism (Fergus Ewing) SNP
Does Mr Harvie accept that carbon capture and storage is a technology that is necessary to achieve the objectives that he describes? Will he join us in conde...
Patrick Harvie Green
I have certainly condemned the decision to scrap the funding for the scheme. I have done so in debates when the minister was present. However, I do that in t...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Does Mr Harvie accept that, as indicated in the University of Dundee report on climate change, Scotland is leading the way at the top of the European league ...
Patrick Harvie Green
A great deal has been done by Scottish ministers and many of us to welcome and congratulate the consensus on the setting of targets. Not enough has been done...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Does Patrick Harvie agree that, if the decommissioning process accelerates too much, there is the potential that we will lose a lot of the skills that are in...
Patrick Harvie Green
A recovery in the oil price does nothing to change the fundamental context of the world’s global carbon budget and the world’s overvaluation of the industry....
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Patrick Harvie Green
With a bolder Parliament, Scotland can make this change—and make it a better change for everyone. I move, That the Parliament considers that recent North S...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We are very tight for time today. I call Fergus Ewing to speak to and move amendment S4M-15356.2. Mr Ewing, you may have 10 minutes or thereby. 14:56
The Minister for Business, Energy and Tourism (Fergus Ewing) SNP
I welcome this debate as an opportunity to highlight the energy sector’s importance to Scotland. It is important that we realise that Scotland has an abundan...
Patrick Harvie Green
The minister is quite right to say that there are skills that can be transferred into new industries, but my central question is this: for how long can the t...
Fergus Ewing SNP
The member asks several questions. If all of us do not support the work that companies in Scotland do right now in 2016 and for the foreseeable future, we wi...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Fergus Ewing SNP
I am sorry—I have little time left. Fifthly, we need to ensure that we defer cessation of production and extend late-life assets fields. I believe that ther...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity presented to us by the Green and Independent group for a debate on North Sea oil and gas. It is, indeed, a well-timed debate: it wa...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the member give way?
Murdo Fraser Con
Yes. Mr Harvie can remind us of everything that he said about peak oil, if he wants to.
Patrick Harvie Green
I am sure that Mr Fraser understands the reality of peak oil arguments, which bears no relationship to his words a few moments ago. Will he at least acknowle...
Murdo Fraser Con
The fundamental problem with Mr Harvie’s argument is that he assumes that the only use to which we put hydrocarbons is to burn them. We put hydrocarbons to m...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
No, I need to make some progress, if Mr McDonald will forgive me. If he checks the evidence that was given to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, he w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Draw to a close, please, Mr Fraser.
Murdo Fraser Con
I am sorry that I do not have time for the minister. It is not just in offshore wind that we have an opportunity for low-carbon energy. The new Hinkley Poin...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Lewis Macdonald to speak to and move amendment S4M-15356.1. If members would confine themselves to six minutes, that would be a huge help. 15:13
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scotland faces an oil jobs crisis that demands an urgent and concerted response. Getting that response right should be the focus of our debate. As we have h...
Chic Brodie SNP
I think that the member and I share concern about the industry in the short term. Will Mr Macdonald give a view on why production of North Sea oil rose last ...
Lewis Macdonald Lab
The short and simple answer is that under the immense pressure of the oil price, companies have finally begun to address issues of efficiency that they faile...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. There is no time in hand at all, so members have up to six minutes. 15:19