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Meeting of the Parliament 14 January 2016

14 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

There is a strong consensus that our higher education institutions should uphold the highest standards of governance. However, there are differences of opinion about the Scottish Government’s role, about current standards of governance in the sector and about some of the measures that are proposed in the bill.

As we are aware from the debate that was held in the chamber during our stage 1 scrutiny, there has been extensive discussion of an issue that is not even mentioned in the bill—namely, the possible risk of our universities being reclassified. According to many voices, higher education governance is in a good state. Certainly, universities were keen to point out the link between their international success and their existing governance arrangements, while highlighting their continuing work to make further improvements.

Neither the review that led to the bill, which Ferdinand von Prondzynski chaired, nor the cabinet secretary provided specific examples of deficiencies in the sector. Even some unions—the strongest proponents of change—acknowledged that the bill would not be starting from a position of real weakness. For example, the University and College Union Scotland said:

“No one is questioning that Scottish universities are good—they are good.”

Crucially, however, it added:

“What we are saying is that they could be so much better if staff, students and trade unions were fully involved in how they operate.”—[Official Report, Education and Culture Committee, 6 October 2015; c 11.]

That appears to us to be the nub of the bill. Will it help to make a good system even better? Will it help to reduce the risk of some of the poor instances of governance that were highlighted to us recurring?

Overall—with the exception of two members—the committee supported the bill’s general principles of strengthening governance in higher education. However, we were clear that the Scottish Government needed to provide further information on various issues to fully inform the debate. That demand reflected the fact that much of the bill’s detail was still under active consideration when we published our report.

I thank the Scottish Government for responding to our report in good time for the debate. It is clear from that response that, should the bill progress to stage 2, there will be a significant number of amendments for us to consider. Many of the proposed changes reflect the recommendations from our stage 1 report, and it is welcome that the Scottish Government has responded positively to our concerns.

The Scottish Government has taken into account our view that it should have provided more justification for some of the provisions contained in the bill. For example, we queried the rationale for universities’ academic boards being limited to 120 members. The Scottish Government’s response says that it engaged with Professor von Prondzynski during stage 1 and subsequently came to the view that it might be better to remove the cap.

The Scottish Government has clarified another key provision of the bill, which is that the Scottish ministers are to determine a process by which institutions appoint the chairing member of their governing bodies. Our report expressed support for measures that could increase the pool of suitable candidates for the post of chair. We also agreed that openness, transparency and consistency in the appointment process are desirable.

However, we noted a lack of detail on how the chair is to be appointed, so I welcome the fact that the Scottish Government’s response provides more information on the steps involved. On the specific issue of possible remuneration for governing body chairs, I appreciate the fact that the Scottish Government has responded to our concerns by flagging up relevant amendments for stage 2.

We said that the role of rector—a historic and often high-profile figure in Scotland’s ancient universities—should be clarified. If there are to be elected chairs and elected rectors, there should be no ambiguity about their respective roles, and both figures should be able to work together for the good of the institution.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Good afternoon. The first item of business this afternoon is a debate on motion S4M-15304, in the name of Angela Constance, on the Higher Education Governanc...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Angela Constance) SNP
I am delighted to open the debate. I start by thanking the Education and Culture Committee for its stage 1 report, and also the Finance Committee and the Del...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the thrust of the bill, which seeks to make our universities’ governance arrangements more inclusive and accountable. The cabinet secretary will be...
Angela Constance SNP
As I have said to people repeatedly, our universities are and will remain autonomous. There is nothing in the bill as introduced, nor will there be anything ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary tell us where the mathematics or arithmetic is to back up that point?
Angela Constance SNP
We can all have a good, robust debate about mathematics. I could take issue with some of the arithmetic and the evidence that was presented to the committee....
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Angela Constance SNP
Perhaps I will if there is time later, Mr Brodie. I am keen to make more progress. In summary, we will require HEIs to advertise those positions. Interested...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Stewart Maxwell to speak on behalf of the Education and Culture Committee. 14:11
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
There is a strong consensus that our higher education institutions should uphold the highest standards of governance. However, there are differences of opini...
Chic Brodie SNP
Is it not conceivable that the rector, having been elected by the wider franchise, could take a co-chair’s role in looking at the policy of the university? T...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
That is one of the possible models that could arise from the Scottish Government’s suggestions and the work that the Government and the sector will take on. ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
It seems to me that we have debated the bill and its measures a number of times, so it is quite hard to believe that we are just at the stage 1 debate. Nonet...
Jim Eadie SNP
The member will be aware that the University of Edinburgh has very strong and inclusive governance arrangements, which include the election of the rector by ...
Iain Gray Lab
In light of the amendments that the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning has promised to lodge, the bill may at least recognise the strength...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
When the bill was first mooted, the Scottish Government made it very clear that its only intention was to make some minor amendments to allow greater transpa...
Jim Eadie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liz Smith Con
I will not, if the member does not mind. It became increasingly evident that there was some seriously flawed thinking in the bill when it came to the questi...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Liz Smith Con
If the member does not mind, I will not as I am very short of time. That crucial point was very clearly expressed by Alastair Sim, Professor Anton Muscatell...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Ms Smith, can I stop you for just a second? I am afraid that we had a slight problem with the clock, so please do not think that you are at 10 minutes. I hav...
Liz Smith Con
I will take 20 minutes, Presiding Officer, if you so wish. Laughter. How long do I have?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I can give you another two or three minutes.
Liz Smith Con
Thank you very much. The third issue, which is crucial, is about governance and democratic accountability. Some commentators seem to argue that the universi...
Jim Eadie SNP
Will the member give way?
Liz Smith Con
I am in my last minute. Governance arrangements that minimise the likelihood of serious conflict in the governing body are those that are most likely to pro...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this stage 1 debate although, like Iain Gray, I feel as if we have had this debate already on a number of occasions. I want to raise a couple of ...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
George Adam has mentioned the amendments that will be lodged at stage 2. Will they be effective in the case of the Royal Conservatoire of Scotland and Glasgo...
George Adam SNP
I remember their evidence well. I will need to wait and see what is proposed at stage 2 in order to discuss where we might go with that. A lot of our discu...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to follow George Adam. I think that that was the first time that he did not mention Paisley in a speech—very novel. It is pleasing, too, to have...