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Meeting of the Parliament 12 January 2016

12 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education
Stevenson, Stewart SNP Banffshire and Buchan Coast Watch on SPTV

We will continue to be challenged as individuals and as an educational system by the youngsters of today. Most youngsters do not carry a pen or a pencil. That is very different from my time as a youngster. However, most have an intelligent phone and are perhaps more adept at operating the on-screen keyboard on that than they are at using a pen or a pencil.

The modern world is very different from the world in which my grandfather started teaching 135 years ago, and it will keep changing. In 1881, my grandfather was a pupil-teacher in Bo’ness. By 1890 he was a schoolteacher in Eyemouth, and in 1900 he had his own school in a rural location in the Black Isle. The school photograph for that year shows that the majority of pupils were barefoot. At lunch time, they depended on my grandmother preparing soup for the school lunch, which was made from the vegetables that the pupils took to school.

When my grandfather retired from teaching in 1926, he had achieved the lofty heights of a fellowship of the Educational Institute of Scotland. The experience of teachers and pupils in my grandfather’s school was very different from the experience today.

Today, other members of my family are teachers. My niece Morag teaches in England. She has taught in the public and private sectors, and she looks with some envy at aspects of the Scottish system. My nephew Jamie is based in Denmark and is married to a Dane, with a Danish family. The educational system there is also very different, and it is not without its difficulties. Because of a dispute with the unions, the Government in Denmark chose to lock out all the teachers for more than a month. My nephew did not enjoy that much.

I will give another illustration of how things change. When I was a student studying mathematics in the 1960s, in my intermediate honours year, one of my digs landlady’s friends sent their 12-year-old to get help with his maths. He was studying topology at school, but we at university had yet to reach that subject. We cannot expect the past to be repeated in the future.

Although the OECD report is about the formal education system, we should not imagine that all education takes place in school. It is important that parents and relatives are equally equipped to answer the intelligent questions that our youngsters inevitably come up with. A couple of months ago, I did a little experiment with my four-year-old goddaughter. She asked about a rock crystal that we had, and I explained crystals by showing her salt crystals, dissolving them in water and then evaporating the water on the stove. She was fascinated by that and we had a discussion. I hope that that is typical of discussions that are going on across Scotland.

One point in the OECD report that I was taken with, particularly because of my parliamentary constituency, is the comment that

“Scotland enjoys one of the smallest proportions of low performers among its immigrant students.”

That is important to me because, on average, the four secondary schools in my constituency have 20 languages spoken in them. At Peterhead academy, the number has just become 28, with the addition of Hungarian. It is not new in the north-east of Scotland that we interact with the rest of the world and that language is an issue. As long ago as 1853, the post office directory listed three foreign consulates in Peterhead.

Of course, that is both a challenge and an opportunity. In some of our schools, I have seen immigrants successfully passing on aspects of their culture and, more critically, their language to the local population. In return, the locals have taught those who have come to our community how to speak Doric—only a minority of the people who are in the chamber are likely to be able to do that. Education is and will always remain a work in progress. Informal learning is important, and it is important to provide opportunities for it.

The OECD report refers to international examples, including the Ontario teacher leadership and learning programme and the Alberta initiative for school improvement. That gives a fascinating insight into what can be done elsewhere. We have to accept that there is no single answer and that, actually, the most important thing is that those who are engaged in education are committed to picking up and trying new ideas.

There is no single idea. If there was a magic bullet, somebody would have found it and we would be applying it. Equally, we have to be slightly conscious of the Hawthorne effect, whose name comes from a factory in the United States in the 1920s and early 1930s. The idea is that the mere intervention of change can deliver short-term value. There is excellent work in the OECD report that leads us to where we are.

I again say to the minister that it would be good to use the Trachtenberg system. Speaking from the lofty heights of my many years, I think that it would be worth using the experience of older people and getting them into schools to impart their knowledge and experience to our students. We have to be adaptable.

The OECD report is a good interim report. There is more to do, but I am confident that the Government is willing and able to do it and is actually doing it.

16:09  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15282, in the name of Angela Constance, on delivering a world-class education system. 14:55
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Angela Constance) SNP
It is a pleasure to open the debate, particularly at the start of a new and exciting year for education in Scotland. Just six days ago, at the international ...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
Has an analysis been done of the proportion of the one out of 10 who have not ended up in satisfactory destinations who have come from poor or deprived backg...
Angela Constance SNP
Ms Lamont knows as well as I do that the relationship between young people not being in positive destinations and their having a poor socioeconomic backgroun...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
The cabinet secretary rightly made a point about teacher professionalism. With regard to her new headteacher qualification, does she accept that it is import...
Angela Constance SNP
I appreciate that there are particular challenges for rural communities and especially ones with small schools. I discussed that last summer when I attended ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Thank you for finishing on time. We are very tight for time today. I remind members who wish to speak in the debate to press their request-to-speak buttons. ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
We all want Scotland to have a world-class education system. The Labour amendment is designed to strengthen the Government motion, in which there is little t...
The Minister for Learning, Science and Scotland’s Languages (Dr Alasdair Allan) SNP
Iain Gray mentioned the challenging time for local authority budgets. Has he yet reached a view as to where in the budget he would seek the money and what he...
Iain Gray Lab
I simply say that to come here and say that one is supporting school education while taking £0.5 billion from local government cannot be an honest approach e...
Dr Allan SNP
Will Iain Gray give way?
Iain Gray Lab
I have given way to the minister once already. Dr Scott is very clear on who is suffering. He said that “less able and middle ranking learners appear to ha...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Aspiring to a world-class education system is absolutely where our sights should be set. That is not to denigrate the work of those who work in our schools, ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
This is unusual: the Conservatives are supporting the Government’s motion today. The reason is that the Government has accepted the OECD’s recommendations, a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Thank you. We are extraordinarily tight for time today, so in order to protect the closing speakers in this debate, less would be more. You have up to six mi...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
Is it me? Thank you, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Sorry. I call George Adam, to be followed by John Pentland.
George Adam SNP
You have already bitten into my time, Presiding Officer. Like many of my colleagues and fellow MSPs, I became involved in politics—as I have said in previo...
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab
I believe that we are having this debate today not through the Scottish Government’s choice but as a reaction to criticisms of its education policy. It is ea...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Gordon MacDonald, to be followed by Cara Hilton—up to six minutes, please. 15:45
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I apologise for my voice, which I hope will last for six minutes. Scotland has a fine history of achievement in education, sta...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Will you draw to a close, please?
Gordon MacDonald SNP
As the OECD recognised, curriculum for excellence has the ability to deliver a world-class education system for all, putting Scotland once again at the foref...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
We all want Scotland to have an education system to be proud of. We want a Scotland in which every child in every community can achieve their true potential ...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
For those of us who are not experts, the OECD report can be a challenging read at times. It is positive about Scotland’s achievements to date and the potenti...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
We will continue to be challenged as individuals and as an educational system by the youngsters of today. Most youngsters do not carry a pen or a pencil. Tha...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
I declare an interest as a member of the EIS. I was a teacher for 20 years, and I probably still am at heart. I always welcome the opportunity to be involved...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I regret that I now have to reduce the speaking time of the remaining open debate speakers to five minutes. 16:16
Stuart McMillan (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Listening to Stewart Stevenson’s speech, two things struck me. The first was the issue of children’s questions. I have two daughters and some of the question...
Johann Lamont Lab
Will the member give way?