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Environment and Rural Development Committee, 14 Feb 2007

14 Feb 2007 · S2 · Environment and Rural Development Committee
Item of business
Cairngorms National Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Boyack, Sarah Lab Edinburgh Central Watch on SPTV
I have with me Helen Jones and Mike Liddle, who are working on national parks.I will take a few minutes to put three issues on to the agenda for the committee's consideration. First, I will set out the reasons for the original boundary designation. Secondly, I will show why the Executive strongly believes that now is not the right time to change those boundaries. Thirdly, I will set out the particular problems with John Swinney's bill.The designation that was made in 2002 was not made on a whim. The decision was not taken lightly. Having read the evidence that was given to the committee last week, I am struck by the fact that many people in Blair Atholl were not aware of those reasons. I am well aware of Scottish Natural Heritage's recommendation, its consideration of boundary options and the issues that it believed that the Executive needed to consider. SNH's evidence to the committee for consideration of the bill restates its initial advice to ministers that inclusion of the area identified in the bill"would give rise to concern over the size of Park and its manageability by a single Park Authority. It also left in question any implications for the rest of Highland Perthshire. Nevertheless, SNH considered that these concerns were outweighed by the case for inclusion of this area."At the time, SNH made recommendations to the Executive that we then considered. It was a very transparent process. Once the Executive had reached its conclusions on the draft designation order, it had to prepare a statement in support of it under the terms of the National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000. Members will recall that we debated the issue at length. The Rural Development Committee scrutinised the Cairngorms National Park Designation, Transitional and Consequential Provisions (Scotland) Order 2003 and the Transport and the Environment Committee was the secondary committee. The Parliament divided on the Rural Development Committee's recommendation and voted for the Executive's position. It then voted 100 to 20 in favour of the order.Parliament gave its consent after lengthy debate. The Executive made its decision and set it out in a statement accompanying the designation order on the following grounds:"Ministers were keen to ensure that the overall size of the park was commensurate with the effective and efficient administration by the national park authority. With this in mind, Ministers had concluded that a smaller Park would be preferable."I draw members' attention to the end of the statement, which says:"Ministers are aware, however, that despite adjustment to the Park's boundaries, some communities on the periphery of the Park will be disappointed at being excluded. The arguments brought forward by such communities were considered seriously, with each case judged on its relative merits. However, when considering such cases the Scottish ministers had to keep in mind what was (or will be) best for the National Park as a whole … The addition of further peripheral areas would weaken the Park's coherent identity and management of the area."Members will have seen in the map that Highland Council prepared for the committee last week just how sharp those choices were. There were arguments for and against inclusion of a number of areas around the park, both then and now. I am happy to pass a copy of the statement to the committee. It is important to make sure that the history of the process is accurately recorded when you consider the bill.The park is the largest in the United Kingdom. At the time, ministers were very concerned that it should be funded properly to address the range of issues that led to its designation. The memorandum that the Executive prepared on this bill sets out the key reasons why we believe that it would be premature to change the boundary now. First, it would be damaging to the park authority's work; secondly, it would have an impact on the national park plan; and thirdly, it would prevent the park authority's progress to complete the local plan for the national park until such time as a new national park plan is in place and has been approved. A process must be gone through to get to the local plan stage.We are now three years into the work of the national park. I believe that the national park authority has done an excellent job in bringing people together—business interests, tourism operators, nature conservation groups, wildlife organisations, land management interests and the range of local authorities and national agencies that are needed to co-ordinate their activities and investment and, crucially, the local people who live in the park.I know that people had concerns about the establishment of the park in the first place. I was Minister for Transport and the Environment when the National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000 was passed. People had to be persuaded. We had to do a lot of work to convince them of the worth of the park and to give them the feeling that they were its owners and part of its future. I do not want to disrupt the work at this stage and I do not want to delay the good work that has been carried out thus far.I suspect that I am not the only MSP who represents communities that feel that they have experienced consultationitis—after they are consulted, a decision is taken a year or two down the track to take a different approach, they are consulted again and no progress is made. The level of disappointment that would be experienced by communities and businesses in the park area that have been involved in that process in good faith should not be ignored. The sentiments that have been expressed by the Cairngorms Chamber of Commerce need to be acknowledged and considered.The park authority and local communities have put a lot of time and effort into preparing their first national park plan, which is currently with the Executive for approval. It is my hope that we can get it finalised so that the park authority can get on with the job that it clearly wants to do.Delay to the park plan would have implications for the local plan, which is also in preparation, and create further uncertainty. I acknowledge that it is a testament to the work carried out by the park authority that such a wide range of interested parties were keen to tell the committee in Blair Atholl that they wanted to join in the success that the Cairngorms national park has been perceived to be so far. However, I do not want to disrupt the momentum by getting in the way of the work that the park authority has done.I said that I would end on the problems that the Executive sees with John Swinney's bill. It is our prime concern that now is not the time to make changes to the park's boundaries for the reasons that I just outlined. However, I will put on record what we see as serious problems with the bill.In passing the National Parks (Scotland) Bill, ministers were clear that we wanted to enshrine the principles of our national parks in primary legislation but use secondary legislation to designate national parks and to deal with the range of important but detailed issues that each national park might throw up. We wanted to provide flexibility in the designation order process and the opportunity to make future changes through secondary legislation, rather than having to go back to primary legislation.The bill does not clearly address the issue of the membership of the park authority. In the short term, John Swinney suggests that there be a Perth and Kinross Council nomination at the expense of one of the Highlands representatives. However, to deliver the extra member that John Swinney proposes in the long run would still require amendments to the National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000 and the designation order. Even if we were to pass the bill, it would not finish the process that would need to be followed.The bill is silent on the issue of community representation, which I believe is one of the successes of the national parks that have been put in place. The upshot of passing the bill would be that the park boundaries would need to be redrawn to ensure that the new park residents were given the same rights and opportunities to be involved in active representation as the residents within the park's existing boundaries have. That is an important weakness in the drafting of the bill to which there is no easy fix. We spent a lot of time debating that issue, both in committee and in the Parliament, during the passage of the National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000 to ensure that we got the balance right.Another matter that would need to be resolved is the boundaries, which is not a simple issue. I know that exploring people's detailed concerns about boundaries would not be a simple matter.Finally, finance is also an issue. The memorandum to the bill states that no financial implications would result from passing the bill. The Executive does not agree with that statement. The bill would have significant financial implications. At this stage, the last thing that I want is for the work on the rest of the park and the park plan to be scaled back and undermined in order to carry out the extra work that would be needed if the park was to mean anything to the new area that would be included within its boundaries.There were good reasons for the park designation. Now is a crucial time for getting on and moving ahead with the national park. There are weaknesses in the bill. However, I think that the issues could be addressed at another point. The right time to review the whole boundaries issue is when the quinquennial review of the park is undertaken next year. I believe that we should put the interests of the park first. Next year's quinquennial review will allow us to consider issues that members might have a strong interest in pursuing. I am clear about that.Convener, I know that I have spoken for longer than I would normally do but, after reading last week's evidence to the committee, I was concerned that the Executive needed to say a little bit more to ensure that our position is clear to colleagues. I am happy to take questions.

In the same item of business

The Convener (Maureen Macmillan): Lab
Good morning. I welcome members, witnesses and members of the public and the press. We have received apologies from Richard Lochhead.Item 1 is the final evid...
The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Sarah Boyack): Lab
I have with me Helen Jones and Mike Liddle, who are working on national parks.I will take a few minutes to put three issues on to the agenda for the committe...
The Convener: Lab
That was useful, minister. A number of members have questions.
Peter Peacock (Highlands and Islands) (Lab): Lab
I draw members' attention to my interests on the matter that I have previously declared.I am grateful to the minister for setting out the reasoning behind th...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
With the park plan, we would basically have to go back to the drawing board and draft another one. A significant area would have been added to the park, so b...
Peter Peacock: Lab
There was one about the legislative position.
Sarah Boyack: Lab
Even if the bill was passed, we would have to go back and amend the original National Parks (Scotland) Bill because of issues to do with the boundaries and t...
Helen Jones (Scottish Executive Environment and Rural Affairs Department):
That is correct. If the park boundary were changed now by passing the bill, which is primary legislation, there would still be issues to be considered about ...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab): Lab
Minister, you say that it would be better to wait until 2008. Will the review that takes place then consider the boundary, and will there be consultation aro...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
It will be for ministers to set the terms of the quinquennial review. In 2004, the First Minister said that he expected that the issue of boundaries would be...
Elaine Smith: Lab
I just thought that it was important to get that stated clearly at this stage.
Peter Peacock: Lab
It is helpful to have that reassurance about the quinquennial review, but let us be absolutely clear about this. It is your firm contention that, notwithstan...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
I would not want to predict the outcome of what would be quite a complicated set of processes that would be put in chain. My main comment is that passing the...
Peter Peacock: Lab
I want to raise a completely different issue, but I am happy to leave it there.
The Convener: Lab
Perhaps we will come back to that later.
Mr Alasdair Morrison (Western Isles) (Lab): Lab
There are two issues that I would like to pursue. First, in your opening statement, you talked about the significant financial implications of the bill. Woul...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
I will answer your second question first. We do not have up-to-date comparators from other countries. When we were drafting the National Parks (Scotland) Bil...
Mr Ted Brocklebank (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
Notwithstanding the minister's eloquent advocacy in her presentation, I found the evidence presented last week at Blair Atholl on extending the boundaries of...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
It would be my firm expectation that the whole issue of boundaries would be considered in the quinquennial review, although I cannot prejudge the outcome of ...
Mr Brocklebank: Con
I heard what you said about the year-on-year costs of taking on an extra part of the park. If the quinquennial review concluded that there should be addition...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
A year from now will be the quinquennial review stage and, as Peter Peacock said, there will be no instant change on the ground at that point. Ted Brockleban...
Mr Brocklebank: Con
You are saying that it makes more economic sense to stick a pillar into the ground at Drumochter that you are prepared to accept might have to be lifted out ...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
As I said, either we park the stone where it is at the moment or we get it out there. That is a judgment for the park authority to make. I would just like th...
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
The minister made much of the unwieldy nature of the administration that would be needed to add Blair Atholl to the park. She also said that this is the bigg...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
No. The committee had a robust discussion last week, and the John Muir Trust was clear that if it had its way, most of the Highlands and Islands would be a n...
Rob Gibson: SNP
So, if we are thinking big, presumably we want to take into account the environmental and topographical integrity of the decisions that were made. I hear you...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
You imply that they were not considered the first time round, but I assure you that they were; we just did not agree on where the boundaries should be drawn....
Rob Gibson: SNP
Absolutely.I will move on, as it appears that the reasons why certain aspects of topography were excluded will not be elicited from the Government. The reaso...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
I ask Helen Jones to answer that.
Helen Jones:
Do you mean the efficiency savings from the current operation of the park?