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Meeting of the Parliament 06 January 2016

06 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Age and Social Isolation

I thank the committee for its report and I congratulate the convener, Margaret McCulloch, on outlining in her speech the detail of how the committee addressed the issue.

I welcome the fact that members across the chamber are clearly interested in addressing the questions involved. However, I say to the minister that, although his contribution to the debate was very thoughtful, I think that it is a mistake to exclude the possibility of a national strategy at this stage. I think that Alex Neil has described such a strategy as a bolt-on solution, but that is not how I perceive it. A strategy would allow more than just the Government to ask, “How do we address social isolation? Are we doing things through our policy that make the issue worse?” It is about mainstreaming thinking about the consequence of Government decisions as well as active policy in the area.

It is clear that I am not the only one who was touched by the John Lewis Christmas advert, which symbolised the sense of loneliness and isolation that is felt by some older people by placing an elderly man on the moon, a world away from the happy celebrations of families on earth. However, the John Lewis message cannot be just for Christmas, to be discarded along with the wacky and usually ill-advised jumpers. The reality for many who look forward at old age is fear of two things in particular. The first is the fear of dementia and loss of capacity and self. The second is the dread of loneliness: outliving contemporaries, with families far away, and being left with little to do, few to see and only rare opportunities to be involved in the events and occasions that enrich our lives. Healthcare, detection of dementia and effective care services and support for those looking after their loved ones must continue to improve, shaped by the experience and understanding of those who know best the impact of dementia and its consequences.

Tackling loneliness and isolation is important because they have such an impact on health and wellbeing; and their cruelty surely ought to speak to the need for compassion for those who suffer. We know that loneliness and isolation are no respecters of person or class, although living in poverty makes the challenge of isolation more difficult still. We all know of elderly people who have retired, lost the routine and camaraderie of their workplace and fallen into a lonely life. We know of elderly people who have been widowed and left after many years of caring and are very isolated because of their caring, which excluded them from maintaining friendships and connections. I commend the south-west Glasgow carers centre in my constituency, which not only supports people in a caring role but keeps the doors open and welcomes them when they are bereaved as they cope with the loss where the caring was before. We all know many people who are in those circumstances.

Jenny Marra and, indeed, the Government are right to say that this is not just about the role of the state in spending money, but there are choices that we can make and decisions to take that will make lives better and address the blight on too many lives. It has been acknowledged that the job of the Government is not simply to wring its hands. If we want to address isolation, we should do something basic. We should start with the person and follow with action. The challenge is huge, but there is a simple question for the Government. We do not expect it to do everything, but is it making things better or worse through what it does?

How many elderly people in some of our poorest communities rely on GPs who are busier and under more pressure and have access to fewer resources than their peers in better-off areas? As doctors in my constituency have told me, although those people need time from their GP, the funding settlement allows doctors to spend huge amounts on drug prescriptions while denying them the means to tackle underlying problems, which are often not medical ones at all. It is ironic that an elderly person from a more affluent area who suffers from loneliness and isolation is more likely to be given time by their GP than someone who comes from a poorer area. That simply cannot be just.

This is not a theoretical argument about funding formulae. The Government must address the fundamental injustice in the division of spending for GPs, as it not only fails to tackle health inequality but exacerbates it.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15198, in the name of Margaret McCulloch, on the Equal Opportunities Committee’s report on age and social...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This is a good time for us to talk about social isolation and loneliness. During the festive period, many people will have been alone and thinking about what...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
The member mentioned stigma, but she has also mentioned just how widespread the problem of isolation is. Does she agree that it is a very widespread problem,...
Margaret McCulloch Lab
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Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
Does the member agree with me and other committee members that we should monitor whatever evidence is taken with regard to a future strategy?
Margaret McCulloch Lab
Yes, I totally agree with that. It is also important that the Equal Opportunities Committee continually keeps an eye on the situation later. Mapping is also...
The Minister for Local Government and Community Empowerment (Marco Biagi) SNP
I thank Margaret McCulloch and all the members of the Equal Opportunities Committee for their inquiry into age and social isolation. This is a great opportun...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Hear, hear.
Marco Biagi SNP
Indeed—and long may that remain so. On the ground, there has been a surge of willingness from third sector stakeholders to be involved and to share good pra...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. We are quite tight for time today. I call Jenny Marra. 15:06
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the committee very much for its inquiry and all the clerks and members for their work. I will start by picking up a strand that the minister threaded...
John Mason SNP
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Jenny Marra Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Do so in your last 30 seconds.
Jenny Marra Lab
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Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
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Annabel Goldie Con
That point is well made and is acknowledged in the report. I return to the significance of the report. Age Scotland considers that the committee is the firs...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
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John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
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Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
I hear what John Mason says about the appropriateness of people staying at home or going into care but does he agree that there is another group of people wh...
John Mason SNP
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Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
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Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Before I call the next speaker, I remind members who wish to contribute that they should press their request-to-speak buttons. 15:50
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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Linda Fabiani (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
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Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
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Sandra White SNP
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