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Meeting of the Parliament 06 January 2016

06 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Age and Social Isolation
Mason, John SNP Glasgow Shettleston Watch on SPTV

Johann Lamont raises a valid point because there may be some people in care homes who should be at home. There are also some at home who should be in care homes.

I was glad to see that in the Government response, under recommendation 2, it talks about supporting people to live well

“at home or in a homely setting”.

I thought that that was quite a good way of putting it. The point has already been made—I think by Jenny Marra—that we are very dependent on volunteers, family members and the third sector. It is just not possible for the public sector to provide befriending and care for every single person in this country.

The other side, perhaps, to what we have just heard is that when I visited a care home in my constituency a little while ago, the staff said that, in effect, it was being used as a hospice by Glasgow City Council, with admission only taking place when the older person was towards the end of their life and was in too poor a state to really benefit from the care home setting.

Finances are clearly part of the whole equation, because being in a care home is not cheap. I strongly contend that we must live within our means, but I think that we are seeing cases where some older people are being kept at home for financial reasons and as a result they are isolated and are not in the most appropriate setting.

One of the visits that the committee carried out was to Easterhouse in the east end of Glasgow and the convener and I also went with the Food Train on visits to Shettleston and Dennistoun. We met an elderly couple who lived three storeys up and they were struggling a bit with walking up the stairs but they did not want to move—they wanted to stay where they were. The kind of support that Food Train provides is ideal and essential for keeping people in their homes.

As the name suggests, Food Train is primarily about buying and delivering shopping for people. That is absolutely great, but it struck me and the convener that the volunteers were also able to spend time with people as they delivered the shopping, which was very much appreciated by those people.

We have to accept that paid care workers are very much under pressure with multiple visits and perhaps cannot spend a lot of time befriending and chatting. However, Food Train and other befriending services can give more of that time that people need.

Housing has to be part of the answer to all this and a range of housing must be available. I still have too many people in my constituency coming to me who everyone agrees are in the wrong type of housing—for example, an older person who is up a close and cannot manage the stairs—yet there are very few ground-floor flats and sheltered or very-sheltered housing is just not available. The Finance Committee looked at that issue a little while ago.

I think that I am running out of time so I will cut out one or two bits from my speech.

We need to support all types of housing and we need to think about whether we should be investing more in housing generally or whether we should be making a more specialised investment in things such as sheltered and very-sheltered housing.

I think that we all learned from this study. In one sense, we all knew that isolation and loneliness existed but carrying out this study and reporting on it as we are today has underlined, for me at least, that it is not just a minor side issue; it is a real and serious issue that must remain firmly on our agenda.

15:38  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15198, in the name of Margaret McCulloch, on the Equal Opportunities Committee’s report on age and social...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This is a good time for us to talk about social isolation and loneliness. During the festive period, many people will have been alone and thinking about what...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
The member mentioned stigma, but she has also mentioned just how widespread the problem of isolation is. Does she agree that it is a very widespread problem,...
Margaret McCulloch Lab
Yes, I totally agree with the member on that. The problem is widespread across Scotland and covers all age groups. Ms McCrindle also said that the Food Trai...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
Does the member agree with me and other committee members that we should monitor whatever evidence is taken with regard to a future strategy?
Margaret McCulloch Lab
Yes, I totally agree with that. It is also important that the Equal Opportunities Committee continually keeps an eye on the situation later. Mapping is also...
The Minister for Local Government and Community Empowerment (Marco Biagi) SNP
I thank Margaret McCulloch and all the members of the Equal Opportunities Committee for their inquiry into age and social isolation. This is a great opportun...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Hear, hear.
Marco Biagi SNP
Indeed—and long may that remain so. On the ground, there has been a surge of willingness from third sector stakeholders to be involved and to share good pra...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. We are quite tight for time today. I call Jenny Marra. 15:06
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the committee very much for its inquiry and all the clerks and members for their work. I will start by picking up a strand that the minister threaded...
John Mason SNP
Does the member recognise the issue, which the committee addressed, of the difference between isolation and loneliness? Isolation can be measured to an exten...
Jenny Marra Lab
I absolutely agree with John Mason, who sat on the committee and heard the evidence. As I said to the minister, the Government has a role in supporting the n...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Do so in your last 30 seconds.
Jenny Marra Lab
I am glad that Alex Neil has responded to the recommendations and put the focus on services and budgets. We need a commitment from the Government—I think tha...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
All the razzmatazz of Christmas has come and gone. Some memories will fade, as with some presents, such as the jumper that gets lost at the back of the wardr...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I hope that the member recognises that to be alone is not necessarily to be lonely. For a small minority of people, being alone is a choice that they prefer ...
Annabel Goldie Con
That point is well made and is acknowledged in the report. I return to the significance of the report. Age Scotland considers that the committee is the firs...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to have contributed to the Equal Opportunities Committee’s inquiry into age and social isolation as a full member of the committee, and I add ...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I accept John Mason’s point that social isolation is objective and loneliness is subjective, but we all realise that there is a big overlap between the two a...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
One of the first challenges that we had in the committee was to come up with a definition of isolation. Members can see in paragraphs 5 and 6 on page 1 some ...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
I hear what John Mason says about the appropriateness of people staying at home or going into care but does he agree that there is another group of people wh...
John Mason SNP
Johann Lamont raises a valid point because there may be some people in care homes who should be at home. There are also some at home who should be in care ho...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I thank the committee for its hard work and for the development of the report that we are discussing. On the one hand it is motivating that the Scottish Par...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
As a non-member of the committee, I welcome the opportunity to contribute to the debate. Reading the record of the evidence-taking sessions, two points stru...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Before I call the next speaker, I remind members who wish to contribute that they should press their request-to-speak buttons. 15:50
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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Linda Fabiani (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
I found both the Equal Opportunities Committee’s report and the Government’s response to it very interesting. Colleagues’ speeches today have shown just how ...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
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Sandra White SNP
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