Committee
Justice Committee 05 January 2016
05 Jan 2016 · S4 · Justice Committee
Item of business
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2016-17
No. There are two separate things: the police central Government budget, which is the £55 million to which you referred and is the continuation of the reform budget, and the real-terms increase in Police Scotland’s resource budget. If we give real-terms protection, the real-terms increase in the resource budget for Police Scotland over the five-year period will be just over £100 million. In the 2016-17 budget, that will amount to just over £17 million. The £55 million of central Government reform budget is separate from and in addition to that.
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The Deputy Convener
Lab
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The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson)
SNP
Only to wish the committee a very happy new year.
The Deputy Convener
Lab
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Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
SNP
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SNP
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SNP
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SNP
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Gil Paterson
SNP
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SNP
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SNP
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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Gil Paterson
SNP
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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The Deputy Convener
Lab
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Ind
Good morning, cabinet secretary. I declare an interest as a recipient of a police pension, since police pensions feature in the budget. I am trying to under...
Michael Matheson
SNP
Do you mean in May 2016?
John Finnie
Ind
Yes.
Michael Matheson
SNP
The real-terms increase is £17 million.
John Finnie
Ind
What is the relationship between the statement about “a boost of £100 million” in the event that you are re-elected and the announcement of “committing a ...
Michael Matheson
SNP
The real-terms increase in the resource budget over the five-year period is projected to accumulate to just over £100 million.
John Finnie
Ind
What does that mean for 2016-17?
Michael Matheson
SNP
That is the £17 million to which I referred in my response to Gil Paterson.
John Finnie
Ind
Is that part of the £55 million?
Michael Matheson
SNP
No. There are two separate things: the police central Government budget, which is the £55 million to which you referred and is the continuation of the reform...
John Finnie
Ind
What additional sum will be provided in the event of your party being re-elected in May? I am not campaigning for you, but are you saying that the police can...
Michael Matheson
SNP
There is £17 million of additional money in 2016-17, and the way in which real-terms protection operates means that the figure will start to increase in furt...
John Finnie
Ind
So the statement on the £100 million does not need the qualifier “if we are re-elected”, because it is there anyway.
Michael Matheson
SNP
This is a one-year budget, which provides £17 million. As the Deputy First Minister set out, we are committed to maintaining that in future budgets. A change...
John Finnie
Ind
So the figure is £17 million, then.