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Meeting of the Parliament 11 November 2015

11 Nov 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I thank members for a good debate this afternoon. It is clear that there is a great deal of consensus in the Parliament and I am pleased that the Scottish Law Commission’s efforts towards reforming some technical aspects of succession law have attracted cross-party support. We have reflected on the granular dimensions of the bill as well as on broader issues relating to the Scottish Government’s legislative approach to the issues and the possibility of consolidating the bill and future legislation.

However, in closing, perhaps we should revisit the Scottish Law Commission’s original aim in examining this area of Scots law. When launching the 2009 report, Professor Joseph Thomson, the lead commissioner on the succession project, said:

“The aim is to simplify the law radically by providing rules which are easily understood and which at the same time reflect the nature of family structures in contemporary Scotland.”

The test of the bill is whether it achieves the radical simplification that the Scottish Law Commission intended. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee is satisfied that, allowing for the suggested changes at stage 2 of the bill’s parliamentary passage, the bill will achieve the stated aim of the report on which it is based.

However, it is important to remember, as the convener emphasised during evidence to the committee on the bill, that

“the fact that something is not very common does not mean that we do not need to get the law right ... Even if we are not sure that the issue will arise, we still need to make sure that the law says what we think it should say.”—[Official Report, Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, 8 September 2015; c 6.]

That comment was made on the strength of a point that I raised regarding the policy rationale for the inclusion of guardianship in section 1, which says that a divorce or the dissolution of a civil partnership should revoke an existing will.

Section 1 also applies to provisions in wills that appoint the testator’s former spouse or civil partner as a guardian of a child. Nigel Don referred to that in his opening speech. However, that provision was criticised by stakeholders, including the Law Society and TrustBar. The key concern is that it might be desirable in some cases for a former spouse or civil partner to become a guardian, irrespective of the absence of express provision under section 1(3).

As such, there are implications both for the amount of time that it could take to seek parental rights—up to a year and a half—and the cost, which could amount to £6,000 if the client is unable to secure legal aid. TrustBar highlighted the possible inconsistencies that the provision might create between family law and succession law.

The committee explored the issue in some detail with witnesses and I am pleased that the minister has agreed that it would not be appropriate to apply different outcomes to guardianship provisions. That will result in an amendment being lodged by the Scottish Government at stage 2.

Notwithstanding that and other minor criticisms of the bill—and Stewart Stevenson’s speech, which only served to highlight the bill’s complexities—I am pleased to reiterate that the Scottish Conservatives will vote in favour of the bill at decision time.

15:16  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14768, in the name of Paul Wheelhouse, on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. 14:40
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. I thank those who submitted evidence, and I thank the convener, members and clerks of the ...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. This is a Scottish Law Commi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could you draw to a close, please?
Nigel Don SNP
Although the reforms in the bill are technical and comparatively uncontroversial, they represent very important and necessary changes to succession law. More...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
As has been said, this bill was not considered by the Justice Committee, and I was completely unaware of its provisions until last week. I have not read thro...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
I, too, am pleased to be participating in this stage 1 debate on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee’s con...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now move to the short open debate, with speeches of a maximum of four minutes. 15:05
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
This is an interesting bill, which we have been dealing with in the DPLR Committee. I will address my remarks to the rectification provisions in sections 3 a...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Although the bill is technical in nature, I agree with other members’ view that it is important. All of us, inside or outside the chamber, want to be assured...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Will you draw to a close, please?
Richard Baker Lab
The bill should certainly be supported at stage 1 today.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We turn to the closing speeches. 15:13
John Scott Con
I thank members for a good debate this afternoon. It is clear that there is a great deal of consensus in the Parliament and I am pleased that the Scottish La...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Labour supports the approach that has been taken at stage 1. Wills and inheritance are an important issue and I am grateful to Nigel Don and the DPLR Committ...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
The member talks about keeping up with modern developments. Does he welcome, as I think I do, the abolition of the Parricide Act 1594, because it means that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that you are approaching your last minute, Mr Pearson.
Graeme Pearson Lab
Indeed. I accept Stewart Stevenson’s point. The Parricide Act was enacted in 1594, so it has taken us a while to reconsider the circumstances, but the decisi...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
The spirit of this afternoon’s debate has served to highlight the value that the scrutiny of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee brings to the Scot...
Nigel Don SNP
On that point, I am conscious of the issue of common calamity, when we are not clear in which order people have died, and the risk that the estate will finis...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I take the member’s points on board. We are trying to deliver as much certainty as we can in the law of succession. I was going to turn in any case to the p...