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Meeting of the Parliament 17 December 2015

17 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill
Simpson, Dr Richard Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I join other members in congratulating Jim Hume on introducing the bill and seeing it through all its processes. I hope to do something similar in the spring, although I am not getting support from the Government in the way that he has done, and of course Government support is critical.

Smoking and, indeed, alcohol, are two of the three big problems in our society, and we are on a journey to a smoke-free society. I was delighted to be associated with Kenny Gibson’s early efforts in that regard in 1999. At that time, the evidence of the dangers of second-hand smoke was much less clear, although, as Jackson Carlaw graphically described in his usual excellent narrative style, the effects were part of common experience, as 70 per cent of people smoked. It took another six years after 1999 for attitudes to change and for the evidence to emerge—with, eventually, the legislation banning smoking in public places being passed.

The bill has widespread public support, as Stewart Maxwell spelled out, even among smokers. Even the Freedom Organisation for the Right to Enjoy Smoking Tobacco—FOREST—which is a tobacco industry-sponsored organisation, has said that smoking in cars while children are present should not happen, although it still opposes the bill.

Many other jurisdictions have acted, with good results, and there is likely to be reasonable compliance with the bill—I hope—as there was with the legislation banning smoking in public places. When the attitudes are right, people will follow the legislation fairly readily.

We know that there are about 60,000 individuals who smoke in cars while children are present, so there are a significant number of people who need to change their behaviour. As Malcolm Chisholm reminded us, there is a strong health inequalities element in smoking, and that is also true of smoking in cars.

The details of the background research are probably well known and were rehearsed in the stage 1 discussions and in the evidence that was presented. Canadian research showed that the exposure to smoke from a single cigarette in a stationary car with the windows closed is 11 times higher than in the average bar, as Malcolm Chisholm said. In a moving car, that exposure is still seven times as high as in a bar; opening the window and having the air conditioning on does not make a sufficient difference. The particle levels are still more than 100 times greater than the United States Environmental Protection Agency’s 24-hour standard, and 15 times the hazardous rating. There is no doubt that that is significant.

The consequences for children are undoubtedly bad. As many speakers have said, it is worse for children because of their immature lungs and faster respiratory rates. The levels of cotinine have been found to be much higher in children who experience second-hand smoke in the same situation as adults. Asthma, for example, can easily be exacerbated. The number of asthma admissions dropped significantly after the ban on smoking in public places, and I hope that we will see something similar, if not as great, as a result of this ban.

Only last week, I came across an interesting piece of research from Japan that found that second-hand smoke is strongly associated with dental caries in children. That was not something that I had previously thought of. There is a lot of research on smoke exposure. A review of 18 studies found that it doubles the risk of meningitis and causes problems with DNA; it has been shown to be associated with increased risk of stillbirth, birth defects and cot death; it increases teenage hearing loss and glue ear; and it is associated with worse mental health in relation to hyperactivity and conduct disorders.

Members have referred to the Scottish schools adolescent lifestyle and substance use survey report. I think that it was Stewart Maxwell who said that the numbers are the lowest ever. However, there is a gender reversal that is really worrying and which is also reflected in the adult situation, with rising levels of lung cancer in women.

As I have only four minutes, I will move to the end of my speech. It is an excellent bill, but we need to think now about the next steps. We are using a salami tactic to gradually choke off the tobacco industry—the faster that we do that, the better. Jenny Marra made the welcome suggestion that we need to look at common spaces, such as stairwells and closes, as a method of extending the ban in public places. There is all sorts of legislation abroad that we should consider.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item is a debate on motion S4M-15146, in the name of Jim Hume, on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. I invite mem...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
It gives me great pleasure to open this afternoon’s debate on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. The bill was introduced o...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will congratulate the member on his bill in my speech, but I wanted to ask him whether, in the course of considering the evidence on extending the smoking ...
Jim Hume LD
That issue was not consulted on at all. We concentrated absolutely on smoking in motor vehicles, and that is what we consulted on. It might be interesting to...
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill and thank him for working closely with the Scottish Government over the past few months, as we worked togethe...
Jenny Marra Lab
On the same point that I raised with Jim Hume, will the Government consider legislating on smoking in shared stairwells in tenement buildings? I am sure that...
Maureen Watt SNP
I have had representations and correspondence about that from members and others. The introduction of such measures is not without its challenges, but we are...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The last bill of 2015 is very well scheduled, as we woke this morning to a new report about cancer and its risk factors. In debates in the chamber, we genera...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I begin where Jenny Marra finished, by congratulating Jim Hume on the progress of his member’s bill through to what I think will be unanimous support at deci...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As others have done, I congratulate Jim Hume on getting his Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill to stage 3. I lodged my propos...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Stewart Maxwell mentioned enforcement. Is he as convinced as Mr Hume is that it will work? I see many drivers still using their mobile phones in their cars. ...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
Strangely enough, that intervention has echoes of the arguments that were made in 2003, 2004 and 2005 in advance of the smoking ban coming in. There is a dif...
Jim Hume LD
It is a misconception that there is no enforcement of the legislation on using mobile phones in cars or wearing seat belts. According to the last figures tha...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I thank Mr Hume for that statistic. I think—he probably does, too—that the general public will accept the bill similarly to how they accepted the original ba...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Maxwell, could you conclude, please.
Stewart Maxwell SNP
The public is in favour of the bill, health professionals are in favour of the bill, and the time is ripe for us to protect our children and move Scotland to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Malcolm Chisholm. Speeches should be of four minutes, please. 15:30
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill, which I am sure that everyone will vote for at decision time. We went over some of the arguments when we d...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
As we round off our work on the bill, I add my thanks to the witnesses who gave both written and oral evidence to the Health and Sport Committee as we scruti...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Jim Hume on introducing the bill and seeing it through all its processes. I hope to do something similar in the spring...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You said that you were just about to finish, Dr Simpson.
Dr Simpson Lab
I am. I support the bill and the call for a debate—in Government time—on major public health issues. 15:42
Maureen Watt SNP
I thank all members for their constructive and almost entirely consensual speeches on what is a very important piece of legislation for the health of Scotlan...
Jim Hume LD
It gives me great pleasure that the bill crosses party lines. We have a mutual goal of protecting children’s health in Scotland, which does the Parliament pr...