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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 17 December 2015

17 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill
Milne, Nanette Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

As we round off our work on the bill, I add my thanks to the witnesses who gave both written and oral evidence to the Health and Sport Committee as we scrutinised the bill. I particularly thank the committee clerks and the Scottish Parliament information centre team for their help in bringing together that evidence for our committee report. As we near the end of the parliamentary session, the Health and Sport Committee is—as Jim Hume indicated—dealing with a particularly heavy legislative agenda, and we simply could not get through it without the hard work of the people I have mentioned.

I congratulate Jim Hume on the work that he has put into formulating the bill and on securing the Government support without which it would not have come to fruition.

There is no doubt that, in the decade since the legislation to ban smoking in public places was enacted, we have seen a transformational change in attitudes to smoking and an increasing public realisation of the harmful effects not only of the active smoking of tobacco but of the passive inhalation of tobacco products. That, I am sure, accounts for the widespread support that the bill has received from the public, with 85 per cent of Scottish adults agreeing with it, including 72 per cent of smokers themselves.

There is also no doubt that levels of passive smoking in cars can be very high—as we heard from Jackson Carlaw in relation to his childhood experiences—because of the restricted area in which smoke can circulate. It has been shown that air conditioning or opening the windows does not remove the associated risks to the people who are shut into that confined space.

As children are particularly vulnerable because of their developing respiratory systems and rapid breathing, it is right to protect them from smoke inhalation when they are in vehicles with adults who may be smoking tobacco products. Our concern has not been with the principle of protecting people under 18 from the harmful effects of second-hand smoke; rather, our concern has been with the possible problems that we foresee in enforcing the legislation, as John Mason suggested. That is why we sought to have the impact of the bill assessed by Parliament a few years after it is enacted—the Law Society of Scotland shares that view—to ensure that young people are in fact being protected by it.

In a Parliament without a revising chamber, and with the pressure of work on its health committee being such that post-legislative scrutiny of the laws that we pass is well-nigh impossible, it will become increasingly important to include provisions in public health legislation that will enforce the examination of that legislation’s impact on modifying public opinion. However, it is clear that Parliament is not yet prepared to accept that reasoning. In the case of the bill, that will certainly not preclude us from supporting efforts to protect young and vulnerable people from secondary smoke inhalation. I hope that the bill will have the success that it deserves.

Once again, I congratulate Jim Hume on his successful efforts to bring Scotland into line with other parts of the United Kingdom and those countries that have similar legislation in place, such as Canada and Australia.

There is a general acceptance that the legislation that we are passing today will not be a panacea but that it has the potential—if reinforced by appropriate and on-going education, together with the other anti-smoking initiatives that the minister mentioned—to be of significant benefit to the health of Scotland’s children by changing people’s attitudes towards smoking in cars while children are present. We will therefore join the rest of the chamber in voting for the bill at decision time.

15:38  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item is a debate on motion S4M-15146, in the name of Jim Hume, on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. I invite mem...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
It gives me great pleasure to open this afternoon’s debate on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. The bill was introduced o...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will congratulate the member on his bill in my speech, but I wanted to ask him whether, in the course of considering the evidence on extending the smoking ...
Jim Hume LD
That issue was not consulted on at all. We concentrated absolutely on smoking in motor vehicles, and that is what we consulted on. It might be interesting to...
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill and thank him for working closely with the Scottish Government over the past few months, as we worked togethe...
Jenny Marra Lab
On the same point that I raised with Jim Hume, will the Government consider legislating on smoking in shared stairwells in tenement buildings? I am sure that...
Maureen Watt SNP
I have had representations and correspondence about that from members and others. The introduction of such measures is not without its challenges, but we are...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The last bill of 2015 is very well scheduled, as we woke this morning to a new report about cancer and its risk factors. In debates in the chamber, we genera...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I begin where Jenny Marra finished, by congratulating Jim Hume on the progress of his member’s bill through to what I think will be unanimous support at deci...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As others have done, I congratulate Jim Hume on getting his Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill to stage 3. I lodged my propos...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Stewart Maxwell mentioned enforcement. Is he as convinced as Mr Hume is that it will work? I see many drivers still using their mobile phones in their cars. ...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
Strangely enough, that intervention has echoes of the arguments that were made in 2003, 2004 and 2005 in advance of the smoking ban coming in. There is a dif...
Jim Hume LD
It is a misconception that there is no enforcement of the legislation on using mobile phones in cars or wearing seat belts. According to the last figures tha...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I thank Mr Hume for that statistic. I think—he probably does, too—that the general public will accept the bill similarly to how they accepted the original ba...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Maxwell, could you conclude, please.
Stewart Maxwell SNP
The public is in favour of the bill, health professionals are in favour of the bill, and the time is ripe for us to protect our children and move Scotland to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Malcolm Chisholm. Speeches should be of four minutes, please. 15:30
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill, which I am sure that everyone will vote for at decision time. We went over some of the arguments when we d...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
As we round off our work on the bill, I add my thanks to the witnesses who gave both written and oral evidence to the Health and Sport Committee as we scruti...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Jim Hume on introducing the bill and seeing it through all its processes. I hope to do something similar in the spring...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You said that you were just about to finish, Dr Simpson.
Dr Simpson Lab
I am. I support the bill and the call for a debate—in Government time—on major public health issues. 15:42
Maureen Watt SNP
I thank all members for their constructive and almost entirely consensual speeches on what is a very important piece of legislation for the health of Scotlan...
Jim Hume LD
It gives me great pleasure that the bill crosses party lines. We have a mutual goal of protecting children’s health in Scotland, which does the Parliament pr...