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Meeting of the Parliament 17 December 2015

17 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill

As others have done, I congratulate Jim Hume on getting his Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill to stage 3.

I lodged my proposal to introduce a bill to ban smoking in enclosed public spaces in the middle of 2003. Looking back over the past 12 years, it is rather astonishing to see the distance that we have travelled in the fight against the scourge of tobacco and its impacts on our society. I think that it was Jenny Marra who said that when it was first proposed that we introduce legislation it was considered a ridiculous and crazy idea; many people ridiculed the prospect of a ban on smoking in enclosed public places in Scotland and several said to me that they would not see it in their lifetimes. However, only a couple of years later, the ban was in place and was respected.

I have no doubt that the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill puts another brick into the road that we are building towards a smoke-free Scotland. It is an important public health bill that will undoubtedly improve the health of children in Scotland. It is a clear and focused bill that is aimed at tackling one problem: the exposure of children to tobacco smoke in cars.

The Scottish schools adolescent lifestyle and substance abuse survey for 2013 reported that 22 per cent of Scottish children aged 13 to 15 were sometimes or often exposed to tobacco smoke in the car. That is nearly a quarter of our adolescents who are exposed to pollution levels that are often higher than those in Beijing or Delhi. Members should not forget that, last weekend, the smog in Beijing was so bad that children and old people were told to stay at home and not venture outside. However, some people seem to think that it is all right to expose their and other people’s children to that level of pollution.

Smoking among 13 to 15-year-olds has now reached the lowest levels since we started doing modern surveys of smoking among that demographic group. Young people are choosing to turn away from the dangers of tobacco, and it is only right that we should support them by passing legislation that protects them from other people’s unhealthy choices when they are too young to be able to make the choice for themselves.

Children are more in need of protection than other groups in society for two reasons: one is that they are dependent upon adults and have little or no autonomy, and the other is that children are much more vulnerable to second-hand smoke than adults because of their smaller lung capacity and faster breathing rate. We tend to think only of asthma and other respiratory diseases when we consider second-hand smoke, but the Royal College of Physicians produced a report in 2010 entitled “Passive Smoking and Children: A report of the Tobacco Advisory Group of the Royal College of Physicians” in which it estimated that one sudden infant death in five could be attributed to passive smoking. That is a terrifying and shocking statement. For that reason alone, even if for no other, we should pass the bill.

I am pleased to note that the bill has been amended so that responsibility for enforcement will be shared between Police Scotland and local authorities. That was a smart move.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item is a debate on motion S4M-15146, in the name of Jim Hume, on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. I invite mem...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
It gives me great pleasure to open this afternoon’s debate on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. The bill was introduced o...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will congratulate the member on his bill in my speech, but I wanted to ask him whether, in the course of considering the evidence on extending the smoking ...
Jim Hume LD
That issue was not consulted on at all. We concentrated absolutely on smoking in motor vehicles, and that is what we consulted on. It might be interesting to...
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill and thank him for working closely with the Scottish Government over the past few months, as we worked togethe...
Jenny Marra Lab
On the same point that I raised with Jim Hume, will the Government consider legislating on smoking in shared stairwells in tenement buildings? I am sure that...
Maureen Watt SNP
I have had representations and correspondence about that from members and others. The introduction of such measures is not without its challenges, but we are...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The last bill of 2015 is very well scheduled, as we woke this morning to a new report about cancer and its risk factors. In debates in the chamber, we genera...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I begin where Jenny Marra finished, by congratulating Jim Hume on the progress of his member’s bill through to what I think will be unanimous support at deci...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As others have done, I congratulate Jim Hume on getting his Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill to stage 3. I lodged my propos...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Stewart Maxwell mentioned enforcement. Is he as convinced as Mr Hume is that it will work? I see many drivers still using their mobile phones in their cars. ...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
Strangely enough, that intervention has echoes of the arguments that were made in 2003, 2004 and 2005 in advance of the smoking ban coming in. There is a dif...
Jim Hume LD
It is a misconception that there is no enforcement of the legislation on using mobile phones in cars or wearing seat belts. According to the last figures tha...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I thank Mr Hume for that statistic. I think—he probably does, too—that the general public will accept the bill similarly to how they accepted the original ba...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Maxwell, could you conclude, please.
Stewart Maxwell SNP
The public is in favour of the bill, health professionals are in favour of the bill, and the time is ripe for us to protect our children and move Scotland to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Malcolm Chisholm. Speeches should be of four minutes, please. 15:30
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill, which I am sure that everyone will vote for at decision time. We went over some of the arguments when we d...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
As we round off our work on the bill, I add my thanks to the witnesses who gave both written and oral evidence to the Health and Sport Committee as we scruti...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Jim Hume on introducing the bill and seeing it through all its processes. I hope to do something similar in the spring...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You said that you were just about to finish, Dr Simpson.
Dr Simpson Lab
I am. I support the bill and the call for a debate—in Government time—on major public health issues. 15:42
Maureen Watt SNP
I thank all members for their constructive and almost entirely consensual speeches on what is a very important piece of legislation for the health of Scotlan...
Jim Hume LD
It gives me great pleasure that the bill crosses party lines. We have a mutual goal of protecting children’s health in Scotland, which does the Parliament pr...