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Meeting of the Parliament 17 December 2015

17 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill

I begin where Jenny Marra finished, by congratulating Jim Hume on the progress of his member’s bill through to what I think will be unanimous support at decision time tonight. I welcome that.

Beyond that, much of the debate has been had and everything has been said. I will therefore make only two points. The first is that we have to hope that the legislation is exemplary and that it has the influence on public opinion that we all wish it to have, because I do not think that any of us would like to see great resource having to be deployed in its enforcement. There could also be issues around the practicality of enforcement. What we want is for public attitudes to change.

Secondly, I would very much have liked the legislation to have been in place when I was a child. I think that I said in the stage 1 debate that I have horrendous memories of my father puffing away on a cigar—the cigar that was, for those of you who remember, branded “Happiness is ... ”. My father was in the motor retail industry, so he had a new car every six months—it was subsequently sold as a second-hand vehicle. By the end of the six months, the white felt lining of the vehicle was invariably a ghastly treacly yellow. Some of the journeys that my sister and I endured were five and a half hours long—a ghastly experience. I have no idea what it did to us. I was almost resolved then that smoking is a filthy and noxious habit that I would be very happy to see curtailed in any way whatsoever. I find it quite unconscionable that any child today should be subjected to that.

I have also mentioned going home from school in the days when there were still bench seats on the buses and having to use a knife and fork in the smoke in order to identify a vacant seat. That was the culture of the time, but it has gone. The residual aspect of it is smoking in vehicles, which must damage everyone’s health, irrespective of whether they are a child. Although the legislative aim today relates to children, the bill will make a difference to everyone and will be worth while.

I would like to think that social attitudes have changed to the extent that the legislation would not be necessary. Interestingly, I was coming into Parliament in a taxi last week and the taxi driver said to me that he had heard about the issue on the radio and thought that he would conduct a wee experiment. He spent the morning driving around Edinburgh in his taxi, counting the number of vehicles containing children in which adults were smoking. In a four-hour shift in the inner city of Edinburgh there were 16 examples. Whatever the common-sense understanding of how smoking in cars must affect children, the reality is that it continues. We need to send a strong legislative message—a message that I hope will prove exemplary and will change the attitude of the public. As I say, I congratulate Jim Hume on the bill that will be passed later this afternoon.

15:24  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item is a debate on motion S4M-15146, in the name of Jim Hume, on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. I invite mem...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
It gives me great pleasure to open this afternoon’s debate on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. The bill was introduced o...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will congratulate the member on his bill in my speech, but I wanted to ask him whether, in the course of considering the evidence on extending the smoking ...
Jim Hume LD
That issue was not consulted on at all. We concentrated absolutely on smoking in motor vehicles, and that is what we consulted on. It might be interesting to...
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill and thank him for working closely with the Scottish Government over the past few months, as we worked togethe...
Jenny Marra Lab
On the same point that I raised with Jim Hume, will the Government consider legislating on smoking in shared stairwells in tenement buildings? I am sure that...
Maureen Watt SNP
I have had representations and correspondence about that from members and others. The introduction of such measures is not without its challenges, but we are...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I begin where Jenny Marra finished, by congratulating Jim Hume on the progress of his member’s bill through to what I think will be unanimous support at deci...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As others have done, I congratulate Jim Hume on getting his Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill to stage 3. I lodged my propos...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Stewart Maxwell mentioned enforcement. Is he as convinced as Mr Hume is that it will work? I see many drivers still using their mobile phones in their cars. ...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
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Jim Hume LD
It is a misconception that there is no enforcement of the legislation on using mobile phones in cars or wearing seat belts. According to the last figures tha...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I thank Mr Hume for that statistic. I think—he probably does, too—that the general public will accept the bill similarly to how they accepted the original ba...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Maxwell, could you conclude, please.
Stewart Maxwell SNP
The public is in favour of the bill, health professionals are in favour of the bill, and the time is ripe for us to protect our children and move Scotland to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Malcolm Chisholm. Speeches should be of four minutes, please. 15:30
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill, which I am sure that everyone will vote for at decision time. We went over some of the arguments when we d...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
As we round off our work on the bill, I add my thanks to the witnesses who gave both written and oral evidence to the Health and Sport Committee as we scruti...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Jim Hume on introducing the bill and seeing it through all its processes. I hope to do something similar in the spring...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You said that you were just about to finish, Dr Simpson.
Dr Simpson Lab
I am. I support the bill and the call for a debate—in Government time—on major public health issues. 15:42
Maureen Watt SNP
I thank all members for their constructive and almost entirely consensual speeches on what is a very important piece of legislation for the health of Scotlan...
Jim Hume LD
It gives me great pleasure that the bill crosses party lines. We have a mutual goal of protecting children’s health in Scotland, which does the Parliament pr...