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Meeting of the Parliament 17 December 2015

17 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill
Watt, Maureen SNP Aberdeen South and North Kincardine Watch on SPTV

I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill and thank him for working closely with the Scottish Government over the past few months, as we worked together to improve the bill’s provisions. As he said, the bill has enjoyed cross-party support throughout its parliamentary progress.

Central to the debate on the bill is the fact that smoking remains the primary preventable cause of ill health and death in Scotland, killing one in two long-term users. That costs the NHS up to as much as £500 million each year. The harmful effects of second-hand smoke are well evidenced and understood. That is why continuing to protect people, especially children, from second-hand smoke is key. The existing smoke-free legislation has undoubtedly made a difference, but children can still be exposed to second-hand smoke in cars and homes. Where children are medically at risk due to conditions such as asthma, the harmful effects can be especially severe.

We know that there has consistently been strong public and stakeholder support for legislation on this matter. At the end of last year, we consulted on similar measures. Some 79 per cent of those who responded thought that smoking in cars with children should be an offence. A survey earlier this year suggested that 85 per cent of adults in Scotland, including the majority of smokers, supported a ban on smoking in cars when children or young people under the age of 18 are present. Mr Hume’s consultation on the bill demonstrated a similarly high level of support, with 84 per cent of respondents supporting the principles of the bill. That level of support has been reflected in the cross-party support for the bill.

I was pleased that the Health and Sport Committee supported my amendments at stage 2. Among other changes, they removed some problematic aspects of the bill, such as the defence and one of the tests for exempting vehicles that are also people’s homes. The removal of those provisions will make enforcement easier.

I was also happy to support the amendment that was lodged by Mr Hume at stage 2, which will deliver a joint enforcement role between Police Scotland and local authority environmental health officers. Environmental health officers have played a vital role in the implementation of current smoke-free legislation. Protecting public health is fundamental to the role of environmental health officers in Scotland, and they bring with them a wealth of experience.

However, although enforcement of the offence will be important, the aims of the bill cannot be achieved by enforcement alone. This is about promoting a change in cultures and attitudes. We know that the harms that are caused by exposure to second-hand smoke are widely understood, which is why the majority of adults choose not to smoke in their homes and cars when children are present.

We developed a national campaign, take it right outside, which aims to raise awareness of the risks that are posed by second-hand smoke to children. I launched that campaign last year to a positive reception. It is my belief that the introduction of this offence will provide a deterrent and continue to promote that key message.

We know that there has been a significant change in behaviours and attitudes since the introduction of smoke-free legislation in 2006. Enforcement of that legislation was measured, and we anticipate the same approach being taken to the proposals in the bill.

When these important provisions are commenced, they will contribute to the commitment to reduce the amount of children who are exposed to second-hand smoke to 6 per cent by 2020. In 2014, that figure was 11 per cent. Amendments have been lodged today seeking a statutory review of the measures. However, this is only one measure that will contribute to reducing children’s exposure to second-hand smoke, and to reducing children’s exposure to smoking behaviour.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item is a debate on motion S4M-15146, in the name of Jim Hume, on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. I invite mem...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
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Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Jim Hume LD
That issue was not consulted on at all. We concentrated absolutely on smoking in motor vehicles, and that is what we consulted on. It might be interesting to...
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
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Jenny Marra Lab
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Maureen Watt SNP
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Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Stewart Maxwell mentioned enforcement. Is he as convinced as Mr Hume is that it will work? I see many drivers still using their mobile phones in their cars. ...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
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Jim Hume LD
It is a misconception that there is no enforcement of the legislation on using mobile phones in cars or wearing seat belts. According to the last figures tha...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I thank Mr Hume for that statistic. I think—he probably does, too—that the general public will accept the bill similarly to how they accepted the original ba...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Maxwell, could you conclude, please.
Stewart Maxwell SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Malcolm Chisholm. Speeches should be of four minutes, please. 15:30
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill, which I am sure that everyone will vote for at decision time. We went over some of the arguments when we d...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
As we round off our work on the bill, I add my thanks to the witnesses who gave both written and oral evidence to the Health and Sport Committee as we scruti...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Jim Hume on introducing the bill and seeing it through all its processes. I hope to do something similar in the spring...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You said that you were just about to finish, Dr Simpson.
Dr Simpson Lab
I am. I support the bill and the call for a debate—in Government time—on major public health issues. 15:42
Maureen Watt SNP
I thank all members for their constructive and almost entirely consensual speeches on what is a very important piece of legislation for the health of Scotlan...
Jim Hume LD
It gives me great pleasure that the bill crosses party lines. We have a mutual goal of protecting children’s health in Scotland, which does the Parliament pr...