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Meeting of the Parliament 17 December 2015

17 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill

It gives me great pleasure to open this afternoon’s debate on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. The bill was introduced one year ago this week, on 15 December 2014. Stage 1 was completed on 8 October with a positive debate in the chamber, and the general principles were unanimously agreed to. The bill was considered at stage 2 by the Health and Sport Committee on 17 November and now, a month on, we debate the final stage of the amended bill, which I hope and believe will be passed at decision time today.

Before outlining the changes to the bill that were agreed at stage 2, I want to thank those who have been involved at various points in the process, not least the Health and Sport Committee for its detailed scrutiny of the bill. A quick look at that committee’s work programme shows how busy it is, so I am grateful to all its members. I also note my thanks to the non-Government bills unit, and particularly to Stephen Fricker, Jo Hardy, Clare O’Neill and the rest of the team, and I thank my own parliamentary team past and present—Craig Moran, Fiona Milne and Eleana Kazakeou—whose hard work has made the bill possible.

Of course, there have been many organisations and individuals who have made their mark too, such as the British Heart Foundation, the British Lung Foundation, Marie Curie, Cancer Research UK and the British Medical Association. Research by Dr Neneh Rowa-Dewar and, in particular, Dr Sean Semple has been used for much of the bill. I record my thanks to them all for their valuable input and support going back about three years in total.

I thank the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee again for its continued scrutiny of the subordinate legislation powers. I also reiterate my thanks to the minister and her officials, as their positive and constructive approach has been helpful throughout the past year and in recent months.

My consultation on the bill generated wide support, and the responses produced some clear themes that have helped to develop and refine the policy, particularly in respect of the age of those who are to be protected and the level of the fixed penalty. I am grateful to the many people and organisations who provided input to the bill. There were approximately 160 responses, the vast majority of which were supportive.

I remind members of the aim of this piece of legislation. It is to protect our children and young people from the harmful effects of exposure to second-hand smoke within the close confines of a motor vehicle, where the concentrations of harmful particles are significant, at around 11 times denser than the smoke in bars, on which we have already legislated. A statistic that was referred to regularly throughout stage 1 concerns the 60,000 children who are put in that position each week in Scotland. To put that figure in context, it is the equivalent of the combined population of Dumfries, Hawick and Galashiels, or more people than can fit into Hampden park.

To ensure the protection of children, it will be an offence for an adult to smoke in a private motor vehicle when a child is present. An adult is defined as a person aged 18 or over, and a child as being under 18. Public vehicles and work vehicles are already covered by the existing legislation. The committee had suggested that it should be an offence for the driver of a vehicle to fail to prevent smoking by another adult, and Malcolm Chisholm lodged an amendment in that respect at stage 2, but I am pleased that the committee accepted my arguments against such a provision at that stage. The focus must be on the health of the child and the person who is causing the harm: the smoker.

I turn to the key amendments to the bill that were agreed at stage 2. The schedule to the bill now provides for joint enforcement of the fixed-penalty regime by Police Scotland and local authorities. I worked closely with the Scottish Government to ensure that the regime is as similar as possible to that which applies to the ban on smoking in public places. The benefits, in my view, are threefold. It strengthens the bill without making it unnecessarily complicated or burdensome. In turn, enforcement will be simpler for police and local authorities, as they are already familiar with the regime. The result will be to afford better protection to our children and young people. Aspects that remain from the schedule as introduced include the fixed penalty, which is to be set at £100, although there is provision for the Scottish ministers to amend that by regulations. The period for payment is 29 days, without provision for an early payment discount. Local authorities will have discretion to extend the period for payment if they so wish. I believe that that is proportionate and provides flexibility for changing circumstances. It is likely that there will be some minor one-off additional costs to local authorities, and those have been addressed in the revised financial memorandum.

Section 5 allows for commencement of the provisions to be set by the Scottish ministers. That will allow the measures to coincide with a national campaign to raise awareness of the new offence. I am encouraged by the minister’s clear commitment to the legislation and I welcome the high profile that will be given to such an important new law. Members will be aware of the Scottish Government’s take it right outside campaign, which the minister mentioned in speaking to the amendments just now. The campaign has had good effect, and I will explore options to strengthen it in my closing speech.

The minister lodged amendments to change the term “human habitation” to “living accommodation”; to remove the reference to

“not less than one night”;

and to remove the defence that a person smoking

“reasonably believed all other occupants of the vehicle to be adults”.

The minister may expand on those in her contribution, but I was happy to support the amendments as they provide clarity and are consistent with the policy intention.

During the stage 1 debate, a number of members, including Jenny Marra, Cara Hilton and Richard Lyle, quoted Cancer Research UK, which highlighted that, in Scotland, a private vehicle remains one of the few places where children can legally be exposed to tobacco smoke. If the bill is passed, it will address the situation and help to ensure that all our children and young people have the healthiest start in life.

The provisions in the bill are understandable and enforceable, and I think that they will be effective in encouraging a culture shift and challenging social norms, with a positive impact on future generations.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item is a debate on motion S4M-15146, in the name of Jim Hume, on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. I invite mem...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
It gives me great pleasure to open this afternoon’s debate on the Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill. The bill was introduced o...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will congratulate the member on his bill in my speech, but I wanted to ask him whether, in the course of considering the evidence on extending the smoking ...
Jim Hume LD
That issue was not consulted on at all. We concentrated absolutely on smoking in motor vehicles, and that is what we consulted on. It might be interesting to...
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill and thank him for working closely with the Scottish Government over the past few months, as we worked togethe...
Jenny Marra Lab
On the same point that I raised with Jim Hume, will the Government consider legislating on smoking in shared stairwells in tenement buildings? I am sure that...
Maureen Watt SNP
I have had representations and correspondence about that from members and others. The introduction of such measures is not without its challenges, but we are...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The last bill of 2015 is very well scheduled, as we woke this morning to a new report about cancer and its risk factors. In debates in the chamber, we genera...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I begin where Jenny Marra finished, by congratulating Jim Hume on the progress of his member’s bill through to what I think will be unanimous support at deci...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As others have done, I congratulate Jim Hume on getting his Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill to stage 3. I lodged my propos...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Stewart Maxwell mentioned enforcement. Is he as convinced as Mr Hume is that it will work? I see many drivers still using their mobile phones in their cars. ...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
Strangely enough, that intervention has echoes of the arguments that were made in 2003, 2004 and 2005 in advance of the smoking ban coming in. There is a dif...
Jim Hume LD
It is a misconception that there is no enforcement of the legislation on using mobile phones in cars or wearing seat belts. According to the last figures tha...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I thank Mr Hume for that statistic. I think—he probably does, too—that the general public will accept the bill similarly to how they accepted the original ba...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Maxwell, could you conclude, please.
Stewart Maxwell SNP
The public is in favour of the bill, health professionals are in favour of the bill, and the time is ripe for us to protect our children and move Scotland to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Malcolm Chisholm. Speeches should be of four minutes, please. 15:30
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill, which I am sure that everyone will vote for at decision time. We went over some of the arguments when we d...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
As we round off our work on the bill, I add my thanks to the witnesses who gave both written and oral evidence to the Health and Sport Committee as we scruti...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I join other members in congratulating Jim Hume on introducing the bill and seeing it through all its processes. I hope to do something similar in the spring...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You said that you were just about to finish, Dr Simpson.
Dr Simpson Lab
I am. I support the bill and the call for a debate—in Government time—on major public health issues. 15:42
Maureen Watt SNP
I thank all members for their constructive and almost entirely consensual speeches on what is a very important piece of legislation for the health of Scotlan...
Jim Hume LD
It gives me great pleasure that the bill crosses party lines. We have a mutual goal of protecting children’s health in Scotland, which does the Parliament pr...