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Meeting of the Parliament 17 December 2015

17 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Air Strikes (Syria)
McKelvie, Christina SNP Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse Watch on SPTV

I thank John Wilson for bringing this timely debate to our chamber. As we all break for Christmas and think about having time with our families and children, maybe we should reflect on some of the children who face hardship in the world.

UNICEF says that Syria is now one of the most dangerous places in the world to be a child. It is now in the midst of winter. Inside and outside Syria, 7.5 million children need humanitarian aid, 2.6 million are no longer in school and 2 million are living in refugee camps around Syria. Some children who are under five know nothing other than a war zone, nothing other than fleeing across land and sea from war zones and nothing other than life in a refugee camp. For some, long journeys across land and sea take their childhood, and for many children, such journeys take their lives.

I am concerned about the language that is being used. We are conflating the security of our nations with the Syrian refugee crisis. That is a dangerous and disturbing move.

The bombs that are used in the air strikes that John Wilson spoke about are called Brimstones. To me, brimstone is sulphur—a chemical element that can be put in fires. One dictionary defines it as “hell’s fire”. Each Brimstone bomb costs £100,000. Calling them smart bombs does not make them sexy or palatable at all.

The young people of whom I have spoken either flee hell’s fire or die in hell’s fire. We see that happen every day after the bombers go out to do their job. What do we hear from the supporters of war? They talk about collateral damage. When they say the words “collateral damage”, I say, “Men, women, children; Homs, Kobanî, Yazidis.” Such dehumanisation of people will be the catalyst for generations of radicalised young people who have no other outlet to address that fear and intimidation.

The case for diplomatic intervention has not been progressed. The UK Government has not advanced that at all, but it should do so—in all areas. Bombing will never bring a resolution to the problem. Whether we are talking about dodgy dossiers or the Prime Minister’s claims about 70,000 ground troops, such claims turn to dust under any scrutiny whatsoever. As many have said, air strikes do not help the situation and certainly do not hinder Daesh.

Magnus Wennman, who is a photographer, has spent time with children who were fleeing war zones. I will read an extract from his exhibition:

“Shehd used to be playful, she especially loved to draw. But her mother soon noticed a common theme in her sketches: weapons.

‘She saw them all the time’ ... Shehd and her family now live on the Hungarian border. They pick food from the nearby trees. The family said if they’d known how difficult their journey would have been—they would have risked their lives to stay in Syria, despite Islamic State.”

Not in my name, not in our Parliament’s name and certainly not in my country’s name.

12:47  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S4M-15046, in the name of John Wilson, on Syrian air strikes. The debate will be concluded ...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (Ind) Ind
First, I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I thank the members who signed the motion to allow us to have the debate,...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab) Lab
Will Mr Wilson confirm that those of us who disagree with bombing are not saying that we should do nothing?
John Wilson Ind
I thank Elaine Smith for that intervention, and I will address that issue later. The haste with which British planes began bombing Syria—mere hours after th...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I thank the member for taking my intervention and I apologise for not being able to stay because I am hosting an event for Syrian refugees. Will he join me i...
John Wilson Ind
That is something that I will cover later, too. At home, local authorities across Scotland, including those in Central Scotland, have been preparing to welc...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
I thank John Wilson for bringing this timely debate to our chamber. As we all break for Christmas and think about having time with our families and children,...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate John Wilson on lodging the motion and I support the thrust of it. However, each potential war situation is unique and must be looked at on its...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I congratulate John Wilson on securing time in Parliament for this important debate. I entirely agree with his remarks about Islamophobia and the need to put...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, congratulate John Wilson on bringing this pertinent motion and giving us all an opportunity to discuss it. The motion talks about “bombing densely p...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
I thank John Wilson for bringing the issue of the decision by the UK Government to launch air strikes in Syria to the attention of the Scottish Parliament in...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I, too, congratulate John Wilson on bringing the debate to the chamber. There have been some really good contributions from members. I had feared, watching s...
Jean Urquhart (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I congratulate John Wilson on bringing this timely debate to the Parliament. I am only sorry that there are not more members who regard the subject as one of...
The Minister for Europe and International Development (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I thank John Wilson for securing the debate and I thank all the members who contributed to what has been a thoughtful debate. The crisis in Syria is one of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Thank you all for taking part in that important debate. 13:21 Meeting suspended. 14:30 On resuming—