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Meeting of the Parliament 16 December 2015

16 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

That was a helpful intervention, minister. I hope that, in the light of that report, she will now come to the right conclusion. We would certainly be keen to push the matter in the amendment stage.

The Scottish Labour Party supports the inclusion of shootings and deer forests on the valuation roll, but there was an awful lot of opposition to part 6 of the bill, and more evidence, particularly in the business regulatory impact assessment, could be provided. Crucially, we need to know that local authorities and assessors will have the necessary resources to carry out that work. It is hugely important that that is done fairly and, given that there are particular concerns about very small holdings, we need clarification on that.

We support the measures on common good land. They tidy up existing legislation. The accurate mapping of common good land will increase transparency. That, by definition, is a good thing.

We very much support the comments on deer management made by the committee convener, Rob Gibson. Clearly, there are areas where the system does not work. Although the proposals provide some help, the bill does not go far enough. We need to see biodiversity problems properly addressed with urgent action and SNH given stronger powers to act. We would want to see that in the final version of the bill.

We accept that access rights are important and the new provisions should lead to more—and more effective—access.

I will not be able to do justice to the agricultural holdings part of the bill. It has been extremely difficult to scrutinise that area, because the Scottish Government told us at the outset that it had not finished working on the provisions. We are getting—not quite weekly, but almost—more information about that from the Scottish Government.

We support the aim of a vibrant tenanted sector, with support for new farmers and a capacity for longstanding farmers to leave their tenancies with fairness and to have access to good housing. However, that will require a great deal of work.

We welcome the tenant farming commissioner, but the codes of practice will need to be enforced on a statutory basis to deliver fairness across the whole country.

We are being drip-fed the Government’s responses. That makes it not only difficult for the committee to consider all the potential amendments, but difficult for people who are not in the Parliament to see the full picture. The bill is complex and hugely important, and we support it, but that approach will emerge as a major challenge for us.

The Government amendments are due on 13 January and our amendments are due on 15 January and we have a recess between now and then. We must ensure that the bill is the best that it can be in order to deliver for the people of Scotland and that it stands the test of time. We need to deliver that together. If the Scottish Government can tell us when it will give a response to the stage 1 debate, that will help us immeasurably.

16:36  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15181, in the name of Aileen McLeod, on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill.
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I return to the point of order that I made yesterday, which was to register the fact that, 23 hours before the debate...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I thank Sarah Boyack for advance notice of that point of order. As the member is aware, there is an agreed protocol between the Scottish Parliament and the...
The Minister for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Aileen McLeod) SNP
I begin by expressing my gratitude to Rob Gibson and the other members of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee for their scrutiny of a...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I hear what the minister says, but would she accept that it sets us at a bit of a disadvantage when we have no clue as to the Government’s response to the st...
Aileen McLeod SNP
This is a debate on the committee’s stage 1 report, and I am keen to ensure that we give members across the chamber an opportunity to reflect their views, so...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The minister will appreciate that we are being asked to vote this evening on the general principles of the bill, a bill that the committee report has exhaust...
Aileen McLeod SNP
That will be a matter for committee consideration at stage 2. Members: Oh!
Aileen McLeod SNP
But we will also be giving an indication. It is the committee’s stage 1 report that we are discussing. We started this process with a good bill, and I know ...
Sarah Boyack Lab
I ask the minister to read the sections of the committee’s report in which we discuss in great detail the fact that the committee is deeply unhappy about whe...
Aileen McLeod SNP
I accept Sarah Boyack’s point on the need to have an urgent review, and we will consider that carefully in our response to the committee’s report. I welcome...
Sarah Boyack Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Aileen McLeod SNP
I am just about to finish. We cannot roll back hundreds of years of history overnight and nor can we fix all problems in one easy step. However, we can and ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Rob Gibson to speak on behalf of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee. 16:17
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
The Land Reform (Scotland) Bill has generated a huge debate across Scotland about the very land that we stand on. The RACCE Committee’s extensive programme o...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Rob Gibson said that access to information is important. Does the committee agree with the point that Sarah Boyack raised about just how late some informatio...
Rob Gibson SNP
With due respect, that has nothing to do with the issues in the report that I am talking about. We will see the Government’s response in due course, and Liz ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Rob Gibson SNP
Briefly.
Claudia Beamish Lab
I thank the member. Would he agree that, in view of SNH’s 2014 report on deer management, the issue is even more significant?
Rob Gibson SNP
The report showed a lack of progress, but deer counts by SNH have also been lacking. The bill must be amended in that regard. Provisions on agricultural hol...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Rob Gibson SNP
We cannot ignore the warning by Scottish Land & Estates of huge financial penalties should land reform laws interfere with entrenched property rights. Is...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must finish, please.
Rob Gibson SNP
Ms Shields put it succinctly when she said: “the question should not be ‘Is it legitimate to disturb property rights?’ but ‘Is it legitimate not to?’” 16:27
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank the fantastic team that supported the RACCE committee throughout its work and the many communities, members of the public and organisations who gave ...
Aileen McLeod SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack Lab
If the minister can give me a good answer, I will be delighted to take an intervention.
Aileen McLeod SNP
I make the point to Sarah Boyack that work on compulsory sale orders is being taken forward through our housing and land reform team. It is part and parcel o...
Sarah Boyack Lab
That was a helpful intervention, minister. I hope that, in the light of that report, she will now come to the right conclusion. We would certainly be keen to...