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Meeting of the Parliament 16 December 2015

16 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Gibson, Rob SNP Caithness, Sutherland and Ross Watch on SPTV

The Land Reform (Scotland) Bill has generated a huge debate across Scotland about the very land that we stand on. The RACCE Committee’s extensive programme of engagement ensured that the report that we are debating today was informed by as many views and experiences as possible. The huge response to that engagement is testament to how much the bill means to so many people.

The committee received 200 written submissions, held formal external meetings in Orkney, Skye and Dumfries and travelled to Islay, Jura, the Borders and Fife to hold public meetings to hear people’s views. Following that wide consultation, we have produced a constructive report that clearly sets out how to ensure that the bill fulfils its radical potential in practice. Supportive comments included those of Dr Calum Macleod at the University of Edinburgh, who wrote that the committee’s scrutiny and report

“have provided a valuable public service in anchoring the Bill to land reform as ‘the art of the possible’.”

The bill is bold in its ambition and must be made clear in its detail. We share the Government’s vision for land reform in Scotland and support many of the measures in the bill and the principles behind them, but the bill needs to be strengthened and clarified to fully deliver the ambitious and radical change that many people want.

Before I go into details, I ask members to note that Alex Fergusson dissented from our conclusions on part 10, relating to agricultural holdings, and on some specific issues in part 5, on a new community right to buy, and that Jim Hume dissented from our conclusions on a right to buy for 1991 act tenants. Those members will no doubt speak for themselves.

Many parts of the bill have our full support, subject to recommended improvements, including part 1 on the establishment of a land rights and responsibilities statement and part 2 on the establishment of a Scottish land commission. Those are the most radical departures from previous land reform bills.

A land rights and responsibilities statement must focus on land as a national asset for the benefit of all Scotland’s people. It must underpin the process by clearly setting out a fundamental vision for land reform that is rooted in international human rights obligations. The statement will underpin the land commission’s work on guiding Scotland forward on the land reform journey, year by year. However, the bill must be amended to ensure that the statement and the commission’s strategic plan and work programme are debated in and endorsed by this Parliament.

We want at least one of the commissioners to be a Gaelic speaker, as is the case with organisations such as the Crofting Commission and the Scottish Land Court.

We strongly support in principle, subject to recommended amendments, those parts of the bill on engaging with communities and giving them a right to buy land to further sustainable development.

To improve engagement between communities and landowners, which the bill seeks to do in part 4, much more than guidance is required. Local people need to know who a person of significant control on behalf of landowners is. In addition, the consequences of non-adherence to the guidance must be spelled out.

Part 5 will introduce a right to buy to further sustainable development, but the Government must clarify whether that is intended to empower communities or to deter landowners. The proposed tests for communities are set at such a high level that amendments are needed to sections, such as section 47, to replace “the only practicable way” with “the only or most practicable way”. In addition, the definition of harm must be broadened to include potential impacts on the community’s sustainable development objectives.

All committee members agreed that access to information is essential.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15181, in the name of Aileen McLeod, on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill.
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I return to the point of order that I made yesterday, which was to register the fact that, 23 hours before the debate...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I thank Sarah Boyack for advance notice of that point of order. As the member is aware, there is an agreed protocol between the Scottish Parliament and the...
The Minister for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Aileen McLeod) SNP
I begin by expressing my gratitude to Rob Gibson and the other members of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee for their scrutiny of a...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I hear what the minister says, but would she accept that it sets us at a bit of a disadvantage when we have no clue as to the Government’s response to the st...
Aileen McLeod SNP
This is a debate on the committee’s stage 1 report, and I am keen to ensure that we give members across the chamber an opportunity to reflect their views, so...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The minister will appreciate that we are being asked to vote this evening on the general principles of the bill, a bill that the committee report has exhaust...
Aileen McLeod SNP
That will be a matter for committee consideration at stage 2. Members: Oh!
Aileen McLeod SNP
But we will also be giving an indication. It is the committee’s stage 1 report that we are discussing. We started this process with a good bill, and I know ...
Sarah Boyack Lab
I ask the minister to read the sections of the committee’s report in which we discuss in great detail the fact that the committee is deeply unhappy about whe...
Aileen McLeod SNP
I accept Sarah Boyack’s point on the need to have an urgent review, and we will consider that carefully in our response to the committee’s report. I welcome...
Sarah Boyack Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Aileen McLeod SNP
I am just about to finish. We cannot roll back hundreds of years of history overnight and nor can we fix all problems in one easy step. However, we can and ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Rob Gibson to speak on behalf of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee. 16:17
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
The Land Reform (Scotland) Bill has generated a huge debate across Scotland about the very land that we stand on. The RACCE Committee’s extensive programme o...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Rob Gibson said that access to information is important. Does the committee agree with the point that Sarah Boyack raised about just how late some informatio...
Rob Gibson SNP
With due respect, that has nothing to do with the issues in the report that I am talking about. We will see the Government’s response in due course, and Liz ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Rob Gibson SNP
Briefly.
Claudia Beamish Lab
I thank the member. Would he agree that, in view of SNH’s 2014 report on deer management, the issue is even more significant?
Rob Gibson SNP
The report showed a lack of progress, but deer counts by SNH have also been lacking. The bill must be amended in that regard. Provisions on agricultural hol...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Rob Gibson SNP
We cannot ignore the warning by Scottish Land & Estates of huge financial penalties should land reform laws interfere with entrenched property rights. Is...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must finish, please.
Rob Gibson SNP
Ms Shields put it succinctly when she said: “the question should not be ‘Is it legitimate to disturb property rights?’ but ‘Is it legitimate not to?’” 16:27
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank the fantastic team that supported the RACCE committee throughout its work and the many communities, members of the public and organisations who gave ...
Aileen McLeod SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack Lab
If the minister can give me a good answer, I will be delighted to take an intervention.
Aileen McLeod SNP
I make the point to Sarah Boyack that work on compulsory sale orders is being taken forward through our housing and land reform team. It is part and parcel o...
Sarah Boyack Lab
That was a helpful intervention, minister. I hope that, in the light of that report, she will now come to the right conclusion. We would certainly be keen to...