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Meeting of the Parliament 15 December 2015

15 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Redesigning Primary Care

Like the cabinet secretary, I begin by paying tribute to the staff who will be working extremely hard over the winter and the Christmas season. As I noted in a previous debate, I doubt very much that they will be watching our debate this afternoon—they will likely be far too harassed and, if they are not, I hope that they have better things to do—and I hope that they understand that my tribute is heartfelt and well meant. Over the past two or three winters, we have come to appreciate that the demographics are changing so rapidly that any pandemic or major health concern that emerges places enormous strain on hospitals and our NHS staff.

I thought long and hard about it and I decided not to lodge an amendment. Instead, the Conservatives will support the Government’s motion. I made that decision because there is no point in my going to meetings with nurses, allied healthcare professionals and doctors and saying that I will take the politics out of health, only to come here and be highly belligerent about the situation that we are in. There is a distinction between the day-to-day health issues, around which I might have issues with the Government, and the strategic plans for the future of the health service, in relation to which it is necessary that we stop being partisan and seek to find as much common agreement as we can.

Since it is Christmas, however, we will also support Mr Simpson’s amendment, even though I read Labour’s “Fit for the Future” document and felt that it had a whiff of, “Labour said this, Labour did that, Labour thought the other,” and “If only we had listened to Labour—yada yada yada—we wouldn’t be where we are today.” I do not think that that entirely gives us a measure of the issues and problems that we collectively face.

Although Professor Sir Lewis Ritchie’s report concerns out-of-hours care, its themes reach right across the primary care debate. Towards the end of it, it lays out age demographics. I noticed that, in 2039—when I would be 80, if I were to live that long; I have previously cheered the chamber by informing members that Carlaw men do not—there will be twice as many people of the age of 80 than there are today. My sons will be in their 40s and there will be just as many people in their 40s then as there are today. We constantly fail to paint a picture that people properly grasp of just how huge a shift in the demographics of the Scottish population lies ahead and the revolution that is required in our approach to primary care, with those elderly people becoming part of a detailed patient cohort that will need a great deal of individual attention and just that bit more time.

I have spoken to people in the professions and know that they can get into that approaching-old-man syndrome where they say, “The trouble is all these new doctors coming through now just don’t have the same commitment and work ethic that we had when we came in. We believed it was a vocation and we would work through the night if it was necessary, and this new lot—my goodness—you can scarcely drag them out of their beds to get them to the shift that they’re supposed to be on.” However, I was encouraged last week when I met the leaders of the Scottish junior doctors committee and the Scottish student doctors committee: I was enormously impressed to find that that attitude is absolutely not the case. What has changed is that there is a different perception of work-life balance across all of Scotland’s workforce. We must ensure that the contract renegotiation and the structure for GP primary care that we put in place attract people, because we cannot dragoon them into it. That is why the job that the cabinet secretary has ahead of her is so important.

When Professor Sir Lewis Ritchie says that the funding will not grow in line with the service demand, he makes an important point. As I will touch on in my closing remarks, much more focus must therefore be put into the preventative agenda to stop people having to see a doctor in the first place and much more effort must be put into the whole NHS asset, beginning with community pharmacy care and the role that it can potentially perform to alleviate the pressure on GPs.

I am very attracted by the concept of the resource hub. I also like the emphasis that Sir Lewis Ritchie puts on the definitions of “urgent” and “emergency” care and our job as politicians, and within the health service, to educate the public about the difference. At the moment, too many people are—rightly or wrongly—dissatisfied with the level of primary care provision as they see it and the opportunities that there are for that.

It was very interesting to read in the report patients’ reasons for not accessing various services. Although many of those reasons were prejudicial rather than based on fact, some real things need to change there, too. It was interesting to see that, in people’s minds, we are driving them—not literally—to hospitals rather than using the whole network. It reminded me that the Scottish Conservatives have advocated that, along with the annual council tax bill, there should be a health board statement in each region. Such a statement would not only detail what has been happening, in general terms, with health care in that region but would educate people and direct them to the correct access point for the service need that they have at any given time.

I will come back later to other issues. I finish now by saying that this is the great health debate—it is the big strategy decision that we have to make and it will dominate the next session of the Scottish Parliament. It is worth getting it right.

15:12  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15172, in the name of Shona Robison, on redesigning primary care for Scotland’s communities. 14:33
The Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Sport (Shona Robison) SNP
I am pleased to be opening this afternoon’s debate. I want to take the opportunity to describe my longer-term vision for primary care, building on Sir Lewis ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the publication of those figures today, but it is regrettable that we do not have the full-time equivalent numbers. The headcount does not reflect ...
Shona Robison SNP
No, but a survey will take place that I think will provide more in-depth analysis of some of the data to which Richard Simpson refers. I accept that there a...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I draw members’ attention to my declaration of interests as a member of the BMA and a fellow of the Royal College of General Practitioners. The debate is we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I can give you an extra minute or so.
Dr Simpson Lab
That is kind of you—thank you very much. Such practice or locality groups are variously referred to in different documents as clusters, networks, federation...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I need you to close now please, Dr Simpson.
Dr Simpson Lab
Finally, I hope that the Government will publish a set of principles that it seeks to use to underpin any new contract. The task is daunting but, if we all w...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I associate myself with the cabinet secretary’s comments about Richard Simpson. I hope that he continues to have an active role, and I am sure that he shall....
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Like the cabinet secretary, I begin by paying tribute to the staff who will be working extremely hard over the winter and the Christmas season. As I noted in...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I start, as some other members have, by thanking the staff who work in our health service. I speak as someone who represents fairly widely-flung communities ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could you draw to a close please?
Nigel Don SNP
All the Government has to do is provide those people with an opportunity to contribute. Our job is to make sure that they can do so effectively by ensuring t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you. I am afraid that there is not a lot of time in hand this afternoon, so I ask members to keep to six minutes. 15:18
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I put on record my appreciation for the hard work and dedication of GPs. We as a society depend on their skills, experience, hard work and sense of duty to o...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to be able to take part in this important debate. Like Jackson Carlaw, I thank the Scottish Government for the content of the motion, particular...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Sandra White SNP
No, I am sorry, but I will not take an intervention. When we look at primary care and integration, will we have data from each local authority to show that...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The report from Professor Sir Lewis Ritchie is a good one, which makes sensible points about the reform of out-of-hours primary practice. I agree with much ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
We all know that there are significant challenges to delivering healthcare, given the demographic trends that present us with an ever ageing and increasingly...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased that we are being given the opportunity today to discuss the way forward for primary care in Scotland. Throughout my time in Parliament, we have...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this important debate. I know from the opposition parties’ amendments that the core of their argument seems to be about allocation o...
Jim Hume LD
Will Mike MacKenzie take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you.
Jackson Carlaw Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you.
Mike MacKenzie SNP
However, thanks to the democratic deficit in our constitutional arrangements—Smith or no Smith, Scotland act or no Scotland act—we are stuck with austerity. ...
Jackson Carlaw Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I wonder whether Mike MacKenzie intends to address himself to the terms of the motion that is before us for debate th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
As Mr Carlaw knows, that is not a point of order. However, the point has been made.