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Meeting of the Parliament 15 December 2015

15 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Redesigning Primary Care

We all know that there are significant challenges to delivering healthcare, given the demographic trends that present us with an ever ageing and increasingly frail population. We celebrate our longer life expectancy, but we must show determination to boost poor statistics on healthy life expectancy, as members have mentioned.

We know that, as they grow older and frailer, the vast majority of older people wish to stay in their homes, with support as required, for as long as possible. It is true that, as part of the process, we want to see a shift from spend on the acute sector to spend on primary and community care.

Strangely, I commend what on first glance looks like an entrenchment of spending in the acute sector. I refer to the £200 million investment to enhance capacity at the Golden Jubilee hospital in Clydebank and the creation of six elective surgical hubs across the country. As we have an increasingly ageing and frail population, cataract surgery, knee replacements and hip replacements become increasingly important to sustain older people in their homes for longer. If we do not take the strategic decision now to increase capacity, whoever the Government is in five or 10 years’ time will be told that planning just was not in place five or 10 years ago. That spending decision has been taken now. Fundamentally, it is connected to ensuring that we can sustain people in community social care for longer. I wanted to put that on the record.

We need to do better on the interaction between health and social care integration and acute sector spend. I note that only two of the integration joint boards—Dumfries and Galloway, and Argyll and Bute—have acute sector spending as part of their combined budget. Other integration joint boards are missing a trick. After all, they will be looking at rehabilitation and enablement services for older people in communities. They will be looking at prevention of slips, trips and falls at home. In the acute sector, whether it is emergency treatment through the door of A and E or early intervention and preventative surgical interventions through the new acute hubs, there has to be a better integration of funding. I do not think that we have the balance right, although I accept that that is a decision for the integration joint boards.

I welcome the real progress that has been made in Glasgow in relation to the integration of health and social care. Sandra White gave us the specific example of care homes qualifying to provide free personal care for the elderly, and I recognise the issue that she raises. On delayed discharge, Glasgow has done well in recent months. David Williams, who gave evidence to the Health and Sport Committee this morning, talked about that. He is the chief officer designate for the shadow integration board in Glasgow and the head of social work at Glasgow City Council. That shows that, when there is a real focus, drive and determination on an integrated basis within the city, we can get it right. Indeed, the targets in Glasgow are being exceeded in some cases.

We need health and social care integration to similarly improve community health and social care, alleviate pressures on GPs and see the development of integrated health and social care teams that are attentive to the needs of the community and are shaped in a way that is meaningful to the integration joint boards via locality planning.

GPs are central to that process. I am delighted to see that QOF is going—that is a significant achievement—but what will replace it? The negotiations that are taking place in the vacuum that is left are just as important as the fact that QOF is going, and the new GP contract is a real opportunity to direct funding where it is most needed. Will it allow us to focus on tackling health inequalities, particularly in our most deprived communities? Will the integration joint boards be able—preferably in a co-production model with GPs at the most local level—to shape a more localised model of GP provision and how that interacts with the wider health and social care integration within communities?

Whether it is community pharmacists, physiotherapists, speech and language therapists, care-at-home staff, occupational therapists, nurse specialists or whoever, they will have to be part of a combined health and social care team, and GPs will have to have confidence in those teams irrespective of whether they are employed by GPs, health centres, the integration joint boards or whoever. If they do not have confidence in those teams, GPs will continue to refer directly to the acute sector, and that is part of the issue. We want GPs to have more tools in the box and to be able to refer to community disposals for health and social care needs.

People say that not enough is going on, but there is a huge amount going on, and there are a huge number of successes. I have not dwelt on the successes in my speech because the Opposition would have called that being complacent. Nevertheless, significant structural change is taking place and the benefits are starting to emerge. I am glad that there has been a significant degree of consensus in the debate, and I hope that that continues going forward.

15:43  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15172, in the name of Shona Robison, on redesigning primary care for Scotland’s communities. 14:33
The Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Sport (Shona Robison) SNP
I am pleased to be opening this afternoon’s debate. I want to take the opportunity to describe my longer-term vision for primary care, building on Sir Lewis ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the publication of those figures today, but it is regrettable that we do not have the full-time equivalent numbers. The headcount does not reflect ...
Shona Robison SNP
No, but a survey will take place that I think will provide more in-depth analysis of some of the data to which Richard Simpson refers. I accept that there a...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I draw members’ attention to my declaration of interests as a member of the BMA and a fellow of the Royal College of General Practitioners. The debate is we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I can give you an extra minute or so.
Dr Simpson Lab
That is kind of you—thank you very much. Such practice or locality groups are variously referred to in different documents as clusters, networks, federation...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I need you to close now please, Dr Simpson.
Dr Simpson Lab
Finally, I hope that the Government will publish a set of principles that it seeks to use to underpin any new contract. The task is daunting but, if we all w...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I associate myself with the cabinet secretary’s comments about Richard Simpson. I hope that he continues to have an active role, and I am sure that he shall....
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Like the cabinet secretary, I begin by paying tribute to the staff who will be working extremely hard over the winter and the Christmas season. As I noted in...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I start, as some other members have, by thanking the staff who work in our health service. I speak as someone who represents fairly widely-flung communities ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could you draw to a close please?
Nigel Don SNP
All the Government has to do is provide those people with an opportunity to contribute. Our job is to make sure that they can do so effectively by ensuring t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you. I am afraid that there is not a lot of time in hand this afternoon, so I ask members to keep to six minutes. 15:18
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I put on record my appreciation for the hard work and dedication of GPs. We as a society depend on their skills, experience, hard work and sense of duty to o...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to be able to take part in this important debate. Like Jackson Carlaw, I thank the Scottish Government for the content of the motion, particular...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Sandra White SNP
No, I am sorry, but I will not take an intervention. When we look at primary care and integration, will we have data from each local authority to show that...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The report from Professor Sir Lewis Ritchie is a good one, which makes sensible points about the reform of out-of-hours primary practice. I agree with much ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
We all know that there are significant challenges to delivering healthcare, given the demographic trends that present us with an ever ageing and increasingly...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased that we are being given the opportunity today to discuss the way forward for primary care in Scotland. Throughout my time in Parliament, we have...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this important debate. I know from the opposition parties’ amendments that the core of their argument seems to be about allocation o...
Jim Hume LD
Will Mike MacKenzie take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you.
Jackson Carlaw Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you.
Mike MacKenzie SNP
However, thanks to the democratic deficit in our constitutional arrangements—Smith or no Smith, Scotland act or no Scotland act—we are stuck with austerity. ...
Jackson Carlaw Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I wonder whether Mike MacKenzie intends to address himself to the terms of the motion that is before us for debate th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
As Mr Carlaw knows, that is not a point of order. However, the point has been made.