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Meeting of the Parliament 15 December 2015

15 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Redesigning Primary Care

I am pleased to be able to take part in this important debate. Like Jackson Carlaw, I thank the Scottish Government for the content of the motion, particularly the recognition that it is challenging to recruit and retain GPs. I also welcome the cabinet secretary’s commitment to tackle that issue.

I want to reply to the comments of Dr Simpson—who appears not to be here—and Margaret McCulloch. We have heard about the Labour Party in Wales. I think that we should hear about what is happening here in Scotland and the care that we are providing. Primary care in Scotland is outperforming others parts of the UK. I wonder why the Labour Party has not mentioned that. A survey in 2013-14 has shown that 87 per cent of people in Scotland rated the overall care provided by their GP surgery as good or excellent compared with 85 per cent of people in England.

I could go on about how good the health service is here, but I will not be petty, which is how the Labour Party appears to be acting today. Its members’ behaviour earlier could point towards some form of healthcare for themselves rather than anything else. It was a dereliction of duty to attack this Parliament and the Presiding Officer, but maybe they will grow up in time. I will leave that thought with the Opposition Labour members and let them get on with things.

I welcome Sir Lewis Ritchie’s report and his 28 recommendations. I think that Professor Mercer was involved, too. Recommendations 1 to 4 reflected the need for better, innovative models of care that will improve co-ordination and communication. That is absolutely correct, and communication is important.

Recommendations 8 to 19 reflected the need for compelling and pressing action to shore up and rapidly enhance the capability of an increasingly diverse and multidisciplinary workforce. I think that that has been mentioned in the debate. We must work and learn together more closely and effectively around patients and carers’ needs. That is important, because we are talking about the needs of patients and carers. I would emphasise the word “carers”, because they have not been mentioned much at all in the debate. Carers need help, too. Indeed, some are not in the best of health themselves. Sometimes, they have to care for elderly parents; sometimes, they have to care for young disabled children. Carers are an important part of the equation.

The most important recommendations, which Nigel Don touched on, are on the potential roles of health and social care partnerships and integration joint boards. South Lanarkshire has been mentioned, and Greater Glasgow and Clyde NHS Board is in my constituency. We do not have a level playing on health and social care integration across local authorities or on what is delivered. In Glasgow, a huge number of people are being kept in hospital. Glasgow City Council social care services has told me that each area service is given a set target number of placements that it can make in each month. That does not happen across the board.

Health and social care integration is needed to ensure that we do not have bed blocking. The NHS should not have to pick up the tab. Although that is not how it is supposed to work with integration, that is how it works in Glasgow. That is sad, because people who could be being cared for at home are instead languishing in hospital beds and not getting the proper care or treatment. Basically, the hospital wants to get those people out because they would benefit from staying at home or in a care home.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15172, in the name of Shona Robison, on redesigning primary care for Scotland’s communities. 14:33
The Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Sport (Shona Robison) SNP
I am pleased to be opening this afternoon’s debate. I want to take the opportunity to describe my longer-term vision for primary care, building on Sir Lewis ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the publication of those figures today, but it is regrettable that we do not have the full-time equivalent numbers. The headcount does not reflect ...
Shona Robison SNP
No, but a survey will take place that I think will provide more in-depth analysis of some of the data to which Richard Simpson refers. I accept that there a...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I draw members’ attention to my declaration of interests as a member of the BMA and a fellow of the Royal College of General Practitioners. The debate is we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I can give you an extra minute or so.
Dr Simpson Lab
That is kind of you—thank you very much. Such practice or locality groups are variously referred to in different documents as clusters, networks, federation...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I need you to close now please, Dr Simpson.
Dr Simpson Lab
Finally, I hope that the Government will publish a set of principles that it seeks to use to underpin any new contract. The task is daunting but, if we all w...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I associate myself with the cabinet secretary’s comments about Richard Simpson. I hope that he continues to have an active role, and I am sure that he shall....
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Like the cabinet secretary, I begin by paying tribute to the staff who will be working extremely hard over the winter and the Christmas season. As I noted in...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I start, as some other members have, by thanking the staff who work in our health service. I speak as someone who represents fairly widely-flung communities ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could you draw to a close please?
Nigel Don SNP
All the Government has to do is provide those people with an opportunity to contribute. Our job is to make sure that they can do so effectively by ensuring t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you. I am afraid that there is not a lot of time in hand this afternoon, so I ask members to keep to six minutes. 15:18
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I put on record my appreciation for the hard work and dedication of GPs. We as a society depend on their skills, experience, hard work and sense of duty to o...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to be able to take part in this important debate. Like Jackson Carlaw, I thank the Scottish Government for the content of the motion, particular...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Sandra White SNP
No, I am sorry, but I will not take an intervention. When we look at primary care and integration, will we have data from each local authority to show that...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The report from Professor Sir Lewis Ritchie is a good one, which makes sensible points about the reform of out-of-hours primary practice. I agree with much ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
We all know that there are significant challenges to delivering healthcare, given the demographic trends that present us with an ever ageing and increasingly...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased that we are being given the opportunity today to discuss the way forward for primary care in Scotland. Throughout my time in Parliament, we have...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this important debate. I know from the opposition parties’ amendments that the core of their argument seems to be about allocation o...
Jim Hume LD
Will Mike MacKenzie take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you.
Jackson Carlaw Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you.
Mike MacKenzie SNP
However, thanks to the democratic deficit in our constitutional arrangements—Smith or no Smith, Scotland act or no Scotland act—we are stuck with austerity. ...
Jackson Carlaw Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I wonder whether Mike MacKenzie intends to address himself to the terms of the motion that is before us for debate th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
As Mr Carlaw knows, that is not a point of order. However, the point has been made.