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John Pentland Lab Chamber

Topical Question Time · Dalzell and Clydebridge Steel Plants (Update on Negotiations)

No. I am quite happy with that answer—especially considering that the minister might be running out of breath.

John Pentland Lab Chamber

Topical Question Time · Dalzell and Clydebridge Steel Plants (Update on Negotiations)

I thank the minister for that reply. I am sure that he will not be surprised to hear that I consider that getting people back into their jobs is the priority. Can he assure me that everything possible has been done to ensure that the election does not delay a deal in any way a...

2. John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

Topical Question Time · Dalzell and Clydebridge Steel Plants (Update on Negotiations)

To ask the Scottish Government whether it will provide an update on negotiations to save the steel plants at Dalzell and Clydebridge. (S4T-01367)

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

General Question Time · Steel Industry (Support)

Although that is appreciated, the key question is not what the Scottish Government has done but where it is going. It is now more than five months since Tata Steel made its announcement. For the workers, all that has happened is a phased decline with mothballing, and support t...

John Pentland Lab Committee

National Performing Companies

Everyone else has taken the opportunity to plug something, so I will plug Motherwell concert hall and theatre, which has some terrific star attractions over the next two or three weeks. I invite you all to come along. We talked about how the national companies measure success...

John Pentland Lab Committee

National Performing Companies

Chris Hampson mentioned the close relationship of the companies now that they are working under a national portfolio. That being the case, do you think that perhaps somewhere down the line we could be moving towards a national performing company rather than national performing...

John Pentland Lab Committee

National Performing Companies

Might you be able to provide us with a figure on how much of your core funding goes into staff wages?

John Pentland Lab Committee

National Performing Companies

I ask the same question of Alex Reedijk, so that he can also provide a figure. What about Roy McEwan?

John Pentland Lab Committee

National Performing Companies

How much of your core funding goes into staff wages?

John Pentland Lab Committee

National Performing Companies

During the period of austerity, has Scottish Opera made any staff cuts?

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Committee

National Performing Companies

Over the past year or two, most public bodies have had to make efficiency savings and meet demands for cuts. What staff structures do the five national performing companies have in place, in relation to the funding they receive?

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill

As we have heard, the passage of the bill has not been a great advert for the Scottish Government’s competence and grasp of educational matters, but then again, what is? Matters that should have been thrashed out in co-operation with institutions’ staff and students have been ...

John Pentland Lab Committee

Finally, you have said that the budget for 2013 to 2016 has flatlined. If you are going to give money for additional student support, where will that money come from?

John Pentland Lab Committee

No—of course. Sorry, convener.

John Pentland Lab Committee

We would like to track that, if you are giving additional—

John Pentland Lab Committee

Can you tell us what the drop-out figure is?

John Pentland Lab Committee

My question follows on from Liam McArthur’s question on student support, which is an issue that we have asked previous witnesses at committee about. In fact, NUS Scotland raised concerns about student support, saying that it was not fit for purpose. I am, in a way, relieved th...

John Pentland Lab Committee

Can the witnesses advise us of what the drop-out percentage is?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Can I ask one further question, convener?

John Pentland Lab Committee

I have a further question, which is for those in the college sector. The reform is a giant step forward for a lot of people, and a lot of people are buying into it, but there is still some criticism. For example, the NUS has said that student support is not fit for purpose. Th...

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Committee

Most of the answers that I was seeking have been given in response to George Adam’s questions. It is good to have reassurance that the consultation, or rather co-operation, is now working for businesses. It is a giant step forward for the people you are involved with among loc...

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

Work, Wages and Wellbeing

In general, I welcome the recommendations of this report, which back up many of the things that Scottish Labour has been saying for some time. The Scottish Government has also made supportive noises but has not always taken opportunities when they are presented. I hope that th...

John Pentland Lab Committee

School Spending and Educational Attainment

We have already said how we would fund it.

John Pentland Lab Committee

School Spending and Educational Attainment

Would you therefore concede that Scottish Labour’s fair start fund would close the attainment gap quicker than the Scottish Government’s attainment challenge fund?

John Pentland Lab Committee

School Spending and Educational Attainment

You said that there are deprived children in every school. Obviously, those kids need help, and schools need help to close the attainment gap. My question to you is this: when will the schools that are not part of everything that you just talked about receive financial help to...

John Pentland Lab Committee

School Spending and Educational Attainment

Do you not think that you are being unfair to schools that are not eligible for any support whatsoever? How are you going to improve things for them in closing the attainment gap? Why are those schools having to wait? You said that you have a universal approach. If that is the...

John Pentland Lab Committee

School Spending and Educational Attainment

Cabinet secretary, I am sure that you are aware of Labour’s fair start fund, under which, if it were to be implemented, every primary school in the country would receive an extra £1,000 for each pupil from a deprived background. For example, my North Lanarkshire authority woul...

John Pentland Lab Committee

School Spending and Educational Attainment

I thank the witnesses for giving us specific answers and for referring to peripheral services. Will the cutback in the budget have an impact on the attainment gap? In particular, we have to keep up teacher numbers, but will the budget reduction have an impact on the support th...

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Committee

School Spending and Educational Attainment

Over the past couple of months, we have seen a fierce reaction to the local government settlement, especially in relation to its likely impact on education. Perhaps much of the protest has come from Labour-controlled authorities. COSLA’s submission accepts that the process of ...

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

BBC Charter Renewal

Being politicians, it is natural that a lot of what we think about the BBC is determined by its political output. After all, what could be more important than what we have to say here in the Scottish Parliament? UK and international news should get a look-in, but preferably fr...

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

Education (Scotland) Bill

Some aspects of the legislation are okay as far as they go; with some, it is for the best that they do not go further; and with others, it is a pity that the legislation lacks ambition. The most important point, however, is that successful legislation is more than just a bill....

John Pentland Lab Chamber

Education (Attainment Gap)

United Kingdom cuts have been multiplied fivefold, with devastating consequences for council services such as schools and childcare. That severely undermines any good that is being done by the attainment fund. How much good that fund will do is highly questionable when it igno...

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

Education (Attainment Gap)

For some reason, the Scottish National Party still wants us to judge it on its record, so let us do that. After nine years of nationalist decline, the cabinet secretary’s coat ought to be on a shoogly peg. Does she or anybody in the SNP think that it is acceptable that young p...

John Pentland Lab Chamber

Portfolio Question Time · European Union Students

What does the Scottish Government estimate are the costs and benefits of that, and has it made any progress towards implementing management fees?

5. John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

Portfolio Question Time · European Union Students

To ask the Scottish Government what information it has on how many non-United Kingdom undergraduate European Union students are studying in Scotland. (S4O-05478)

John Pentland Lab Committee

BBC Charter Renewal

Finally, given the amount of money that Scotland pays into the pot overall, do we get enough back, proportionately, to train apprentices?

John Pentland Lab Committee

BBC Charter Renewal

Are any of them apprentice journalists or anything like that?

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Committee

BBC Charter Renewal

I am not sure whether I picked you up wrong. You take on 10 apprenticeships every year. Are they trained in London? If that is the case, have any apprentice journalists been based in Scotland?

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

I believe that we are having this debate today not through the Scottish Government’s choice but as a reaction to criticisms of its education policy. It is easy to see why the SNP is under attack. Young people from wealthier families are twice as likely to go to university as t...

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab Chamber

Portfolio Question Time · Apprenticeship Levy (Discussions)

What discussions has the Scottish Government had with industry bodies based here in Scotland and in the rest of the UK, and with others who provide apprenticeship training, on the levy’s impact on their current apprenticeship schemes?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Just in general.

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

I want to go back to the first question on the fee strategy. I think that there was an assumption that the review would have been completed and in our hands by now. “Assume” and “assumption” are among the most common words in the budget proposal. We know that that means that ...

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

When you hire somebody from the private sector, how do you negotiate the contract? Do you say to the private sector firm, “Here is £20,000; now go away and do the job,” or is the figure arrived at by negotiation?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

This is a point that we have emphasised on a number of occasions. If you are using a private company’s work as a benchmark, are you able to achieve that benchmark in-house or are you taking longer to do the same job?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Yes, but surely the private company is bound by the same criteria and has to deliver the same quality.

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Do you have any examples of that?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

I am not talking about the cost; I am talking about the time that it takes. We have already gauged that £20,000 is set aside. It is the time that I am trying to establish. Would it take the in-house team a week to do the job for the same cost or would the in-house team take ei...

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

No, I am trying to say that it should be like for like. Do you have that comparability?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Yes. We are talking about money and time. There is a £20,000 fee and the private firm is able to do the job in a week. If you get an in-house team to do the same job and you give the team £20,000 for that, will that team do the job within a week?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

No, I am asking whether the in-house team would do it in the same time that it took the private company—a week.

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

If a private firm is given a fee of £20,000, for example, and it is able to do that job in a week, there will be profit in that. If you are then giving the same sort of task to an in-house team, would you expect the team, given the £20,000, to do a comparable job? Would you ex...

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

By way of benchmarking it?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Although private firms might have that incentive to work to their fee, how is that efficiency delivered in-house?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

The commission is aware that Audit Scotland pays private sector firms a set fee for an audit appointment, and it is for the firms to plan and deliver their work within that fee. That creates an incentive for those firms to be as efficient as possible in order to maximise their...

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Can you make any in-house savings by not travelling?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

How does that balance with you sending people out to firms?

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

So it is not down to audit work; it is down to efficiencies that have been achieved elsewhere, one of which you identify as travel.

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Appendix 1, which concerns operating cost trends, shows that Audit Scotland’s expenditure on private firms has decreased marginally year on year from 2013-14’s actual expenditure to 2016-17’s proposed budget. In the same period, Audit Scotland’s gross administrative costs have...

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Do you think that Audit Scotland has a legitimate role in that process? Obviously, a lot of money will be collected through those different powers.

John Pentland Lab Committee

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Given that HMRC is currently subject to audit by the National Audit Office, does Audit Scotland envisage any scope to pursue a resource transfer from the National Audit Office to Audit Scotland? One might assume that the extent of the NAO’s input might decrease for the taxes t...

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Committee

Meeting of the Commission 10 December 2015

10 Dec 2015 · S4 · Scottish Commission for Public Audit

Item of business

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2016/17

Pentland, John Lab Motherwell and Wishaw Watch on SPTV

Just in general.

In the same item of business

The Convener SNP

Item 2 is Audit’s Scotland’s budget proposal for 2016-17. I welcome to the meeting from Audit Scotland, Ian Leitch, the board chair; Caroline Gardner, Audito...

Ian Leitch (Audit Scotland)

Thank you for the invitation to come along. This is the first time that I have appeared before the commission. I take the opportunity to thank my predecessor...

Caroline Gardner (Auditor General for Scotland)

The budget for 2016-17 has been prepared in the context of some significant uncertainties, including the outcome of the United Kingdom spending review and it...

The Convener SNP

Thank you. As you correctly say, members have some questions and I would like to start with a question about fees because that has been a recurring theme for...

Some of us, when we joined the board, started asking a lot of questions. To some extent, that may have delayed matters, because we have been probing into the...

The Convener SNP

From what you are saying, I would deduce that we are at the start of a process rather than moving towards the end of it.

I do not agree with that; I think that we are fairly well through it. We have had working papers looking at how the sectoral imbalances have occurred histori...

The Convener SNP

You mention the possibility of sectoral balance and so on. We would welcome a move towards a closer balance of fees and the related expenditure in each secto...

The accountable officer will answer that question.

Caroline Gardner

It might be helpful if I remind the commission of the framework that governs our overall funding and fee-setting process and of the work that has been done s...

The Convener SNP

Your papers refer to a historical decision made when Audit Scotland was set up that ensured that the costs of best-value audits were broadly met by central G...

Caroline Gardner

I will ask Russell Frith to give you more detail, if you will find it useful, but the historical picture is that when local authorities had a legal responsib...

John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab

Like the convener, I am concerned that the fee strategy review has not been completed by now; indeed, regardless of what Mr Leitch has said, it seem that we ...

It will be completed for the audit appointments next autumn. I cannot speak for the time before I joined the board, but when I looked at this issue with coll...

Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP

Good morning, panel. We are aware that the Wales Audit Office has recently reviewed its fee strategy. In its equivalent document, it has published the hourly...

I do not see a reason in principle why that cannot be done after the procurement exercise, although, plainly, we would not want to disclose our hand until we...

Caroline Gardner

After the procurement exercise has been completed, we will need to finalise how we recover the direct costs of audit, which are the costs of the work that is...

Diane McGiffen (Audit Scotland)

I, too, would offer reassurance. As you know, our objective is to deliver public audit in Scotland that promotes transparency, accountability and best value....

Angus MacDonald SNP

Thank you for that. I am pleased to hear that you are looking at good practice around the globe, and it is good to know that you accept the need for transpar...

Caroline Gardner

I will ask Russell Frith to come in with the details on that, if I may. In broad terms, as we reported to the commission back in June in relation to our tota...

Russell Frith (Audit Scotland)

As part of our budget preparation, we do an allocation of budget costs across the sectors so that we can start to monitor the extent to which the projected i...

Angus MacDonald SNP

Okay. Are those percentages detailed anywhere in the report?

Russell Frith

They are not explicitly in the report, but they are in one of the working papers that underlie the budget.

Angus MacDonald SNP

Okay. May I suggest that they are included in the report in future?

Russell Frith

The Convener SNP

It would be useful if the figures that you have just now could be supplied.

Caroline Gardner

We can certainly do that. The nearest reference to them is in the submission to the commission, in table 2 on page 12, which breaks down the income from char...

The Convener SNP

I think that the commission is keen to see how far the costs are covered for the proportion of work that is done for the Accounts Commission and the proporti...

Caroline Gardner

We understand that entirely, and there is no problem in letting the commission have the breakdown. We can certainly build that into our agreement with the se...

John Pentland Lab

Obviously, the commission is keen to explore the potential impact on Audit Scotland of the proposals in the Smith commission agreement and to ensure that Aud...