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Meeting of the Parliament 10 December 2015

10 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill
Ferguson, Patricia Lab Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

This afternoon, when we pass the bill—as we will, with Labour support—we will make some significant changes to the FAI system. However, I cannot help but observe that we have missed the opportunity to make some radical and important changes to the FAI system at the same time.

Lord Cullen’s review, which the Scottish Government ordered, was a good one, but as colleagues probably know, it did not go far enough for me. However, it obviously went too far for the Scottish Government.

As members know, I introduced a bill on this subject. I am grateful to the clerks to the Justice Committee for their assistance with that and to the legislation team in the Parliament, as well as to Patrick McGuire of Thompsons Solicitors, who was most helpful. I also thank the members of the committee, who were helpful and accommodating and carefully considered the bill that I proposed. As members know, the committee’s decision was that the best vehicle to take forward some of the issues was the Government’s bill, and the committee urged us to co-operate to take forward the issues that were being discussed.

The areas on which we agreed, such as the charter, will make a difference to families. The charter will make it easier for them to understand the process and get information in advance of an FAI and, I hope, during the process. The annual report of the recommendations that are made by sheriffs in considering fatal accident inquiries will also be important. I am glad that the Government eventually agreed that that report should be laid before Parliament because, if we are not going to do post-legislative scrutiny of bills such as this one, it is important that we at least consider the outcomes that are laid before us.

I am extremely disappointed that the Government did not agree to accept my stage 2 amendment about civil legal aid. We have perhaps rehearsed the debate on that enough this afternoon, but it is remarkable that, although—rightly—someone who has perhaps been involved in the death of a person in custody will still get legal aid, bereaved families whose family member has died as a result of an accident at work will not have legal aid guaranteed to them. The Parliament has done those families a disservice today.

Others have referred to this point already, but there is an important question about scrutiny in the Parliament. I will not make a big point of this but, when all the Opposition parties agree that there is a point that is worth pursuing and do so because they have a genuine concern and have aired and discussed the issues, it is sad that the Scottish Government has chosen to use its majority to vote that down. I have no compunction about saying that I know that the relevant amendment was agreed to at stage 2 only because there is no Government majority on the committee. I am grateful to all those members who gave the matter careful consideration, whether or not they voted for the proposal in committee or today.

My interest in FAIs was sparked by the death of nine members of the community at the Stockline factory in my constituency and the terrible wait that the families had for a fatal accident inquiry. Elaine Murray mentioned that. I hope that the recommendations that we agree to today and the bill that will emerge as a result of our deliberations will ensure that, in the future, families do not have to have the experience that those nine families had over a prolonged period of four years.

16:31  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15113, in the name of Paul Wheelhouse, on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotl...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise the Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Inquiries into Fat...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
I am delighted to open this stage 3 debate on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill. The law relating to the investigation...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, fatal accident inquiries into the circumstances of deaths are undertaken in the public interest in order to determine the time, place and c...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I acknowledge Patricia Ferguson’s significant involvement in this legislative process following the withdrawal of her own bill, and her co-operation with the...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
It has been said by Margaret Mitchell and in other contributions that, somehow, this has not been a proper democratic process. However, it has been. A Govern...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Point made. Thank you very much.
Margaret Mitchell Con
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Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
What about Westminster?
Margaret Mitchell Con
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James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
Will Margaret Mitchell give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member is just closing.
Margaret Mitchell Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to the open debate. 16:22
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I have already made the point, but I will make it again: it is very important that members understand the strength of this Parliament, particularly in respec...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
This afternoon, when we pass the bill—as we will, with Labour support—we will make some significant changes to the FAI system. However, I cannot help but obs...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
The legislation that governs the fatal accident inquiry system is nearly 40 years old, and it has been six years since Lord Cullen reported on his review int...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
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Elaine Murray Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Christine Grahame SNP
No, I am going to proceed, because I have heard enough. We had eight years of that approach. I very much welcome the legislation and commend the work of Jus...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Article 2 of the European convention on human rights creates a right to life and, with it, the duty on the state to investigate the loss of life. That is a d...
Christine Grahame SNP
There will not be any aeroplanes.
John Finnie Ind
Christine Grahame is right that there will not be any aeroplanes. Members’ experiences are all different. I have experience of an FAI into a death in custod...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the stage 3 debate on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill and I share in the tributes that have already been p...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The absence of rancour in the debate and the support that exists across the chamber for the bill reflect well on the work that has been done by the members o...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I call Paul Wheelhouse to wind up the debate. I can give you eight minutes, Mr Wheelhouse. 16:54
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
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Christine Grahame SNP
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Paul Wheelhouse SNP
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