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Meeting of the Parliament 10 December 2015

10 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

At stage 2, the committee agreed by majority vote to amend the bill to require a mandatory fatal accident inquiry when a person who is in compulsory detention under the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003 dies. The amendment accorded with Lord Cullen’s recommendations in his review and had been supported during his consultation by organisations such as Enable. I also note that the deaths of patients in compulsory detention in England and Wales are subject to a coroner’s inquest.

The bill as amended also allowed the Lord Advocate to make an exception where the circumstances of the death had been established through an investigation under section 11 of the 2003 act. However, it did not allow the Lord Advocate to make an exception where the death was from natural causes, which would not be subject to investigation under the 2003 act. Therefore, the death from natural causes of persons who had been compulsorily detained would always be subject to a mandatory inquiry without any exception, which could be unnecessary and distressing to friends and family.

Amendment 37 would enable the Lord Advocate to make an exception for deaths from natural causes. Two thirds of people who die in compulsory detention die of natural causes, and there should be no requirement to conduct an FAI into those deaths.

However, since the bill was amended, we have received representations from a number of professional organisations and, crucially, organisations that represent people with mental health conditions and their families that urge us to remove the provisions in question. The Mental Welfare Commission believes that the priority should be to establish the review of the arrangements for investigating the deaths of detained patients and that legislating at this stage would pre-empt the results of that review.

Carer representatives from the Royal College of Psychiatrists in Scotland advised that the delays involved in the FAI process would have a “significant and negative” impact on bereaved carers. Penumbra agrees with the views of the MWC and the Royal College of Psychiatrists. Enable made the original submission to Lord Cullen, but its briefing, which was sent to us yesterday, was ambiguous, so I contacted its policy officer to clarify its position. She advised me by email that Enable has accepted the Government’s position on the amendments, provided that there is a firm commitment that the review into the investigation of deaths of detained patients that is required by section 37 of the Mental Health (Scotland) Act 2015 is progressed as a matter of urgency. As the minister has said, that review is the result of an amendment that was lodged by my colleague Richard Simpson and unanimously supported by Parliament.

The Minister for Sport, Health Improvement and Mental Health wrote to the chair of the Health and Sport Committee, Duncan McNeil, earlier this week to advise that he intended to lay an order yesterday, which will come into force on 24 December and will clarify the deadline for the review’s completion. If the minister can confirm that that order has been laid and can advise us of the deadline for the review’s completion, I will consider that the stage 2 amendments have made an important contribution to the debate and to the acceleration of the review.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill. To deal with amendments, member...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Group 1 is on mandatory inquiries: persons detained under mental health legislation. Amendment 2, in the name of the minister, is grouped with amendments 3, ...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
The amendments in this group relate to mandatory fatal accident inquiries for patients detained under mental health legislation. Such inquiries were introduc...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
At stage 2, the committee agreed by majority vote to amend the bill to require a mandatory fatal accident inquiry when a person who is in compulsory detentio...
The Minister for Sport, Health Improvement and Mental Health (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I confirm that I have laid that order. As Paul Wheelhouse said, it will come into effect on 24 December this year. The provision that the Parliament unanimou...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Dr Murray, could you come to a close, please?
Elaine Murray Lab
In light of those assurances, I will not press my amendments, and Labour will support the Government amendments that remove the stage 2 amendments.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Three members have requested to speak. I ask for contributions to be kept as short as possible.
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The reality is that, if amendment 3 is agreed to, adults in the mental health system who are detained on a compulsory basis will have fewer human rights than...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
Since we heard evidence on this matter at stage 1, things have moved on. At stage 1, the Scottish Human Rights Commission said that there was a gap in relati...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
Margaret Mitchell’s stage 2 amendment that required a mandatory FAI in relation to the death of any patient who dies while receiving treatment for a mental d...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I did ask members to be brief.
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I supported Margaret Mitchell’s position at stage 2. However, like other members, particularly Elaine Murray and Alison McInnes, I have heard compelling evid...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I will keep this brief, because I am conscious of the time. Members have raised the issue of human rights, and I thank Alison McInnes, John Finnie and Elaine...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The question is, that amendment 2 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
There will be a division. As it is the first division of the stage and this afternoon, I will suspend the meeting for five minutes. Thereafter, there will be...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We proceed with the division on amendment 2. For Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP) Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP) Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The result of the division is: For 94, Against 14, Abstentions 0. Amendment 2 agreed to. Amendment 3 moved—Paul Wheelhouse.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The question is, that amendment 3 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
There will be a division. For Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP) Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP) Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) A...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The result of the division is: For 94, Against 14, Abstentions 0. Amendment 3 agreed to. Amendment 4 moved—Paul Wheelhouse—and agreed to. Section 3—Mand...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
That brings us to group 2, which is on the participation of trade unions and similar bodies in inquiries. Amendment 9, in the name of the minister, is groupe...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
The Scottish Government was happy to accept an amendment lodged at stage 2 by Elaine Murray that gives a statutory right of participation at a fatal accident...
Elaine Murray Lab
As the minister said, at stage 2, I introduced an amendment into section 10 to give a trade union or staff association representative of a person killed in t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
No other member has requested to speak, so I ask the minister to wind up.
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am happy to leave it at that. Amendment 9 agreed to. Amendments 10 to 12 moved—Paul Wheelhouse—and agreed to. Section 10A—Availability of civil legal aid
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Group 3 is on the availability of civil legal aid. Amendment 1, in the name of Patricia Ferguson, is grouped with amendment 13.
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I support amendment 1, in my name, and I oppose amendment 13, in the name of the minister. My stage 2 amendment, which was agreed to by the Justice Committe...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
As Patricia Ferguson said, this group of amendments relates to the provision for legal aid for FAIs. Patricia Ferguson’s amendment 1 is relevant only if her ...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Because of the very nature of what a fatal accident inquiry is, is it not reasonable that both the family and the Scottish Legal Aid Board may have no idea a...