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Meeting of the Parliament 02 December 2015

02 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Named Persons

I am proud that this Parliament took the groundbreaking Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill through the Parliament last year. The Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 act was a huge milestone for the Parliament. For the first time, we gave comprehensive legislative substance to our ambition of giving Scotland’s children the best start in life.

I am proud of that because I know that at the heart of the 2014 act is a commitment to improve the wellbeing of all our nation’s children and young people. Every child has only one shot at childhood, so it is incumbent on us all—parents, practitioners and policy makers—to do our best to realise that commitment.

It is the Parliament’s right and duty to scrutinise our legislation, influence change and improve policy and laws. I uphold that right and have always sought to engage constructively with members of the Scottish Parliament, regardless of their party-political beliefs, because the wellbeing of our children and young people transcends party politics.

Indeed, that philosophy, which is shared across this Parliament, led members to unite behind the GIRFEC principles under the previous Administration and over the years that followed, up to the passage of the 2014 act.

We should reflect on how we got to where we are. The named person approach was developed on the ground through the GIRFEC Highland pathfinder, which has interested and inspired this Parliament for many years. Parliamentarians were impressed by the project. Six years ago, almost to the day, an MSP said:

“a key success of the Highland pathfinder project has been the reduction in bureaucracy, which has ... freed up more time for direct work with children. Another outcome is better information sharing ... That has also reduced the burden on staff.”

He went on to say:

“I very much welcome the minister‘s commitment to implement the GIRFEC programme throughout Scotland on the back of the successful pilot in the Highlands.”

I find Murdo Fraser’s words reassuring. He also said:

“That contact with families in the home enables those health professionals to identify, at an early stage, likely problem areas and potentially vulnerable groups.”

Mary Scanlon is another Conservative MSP who has acknowledged the policy’s benefits. During the same debate, she said:

“for too long children and others have suffered as agencies work in their silos, refusing to share information that would lead to a holistic approach to addressing a child’s needs. I commend the work done in Highland to address that issue”.—[Official Report, 3 December 2009; c 21924-5 and 21910.]

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Before we start the debate, I need to remind members that legal proceedings are on-going in relation to the legislative competence of the named persons provi...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Three years ago, when Parliament first debated in earnest the SNP’s plans to introduce named persons, concerns were raised across the chamber not just about ...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
Will Liz Smith give way?
Liz Smith Con
I ask Mr Chisholm to let me make a bit of progress. Of course those children need help, and of course every effort must be made to assist local authorities,...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
Liz Smith will be aware of the pathfinder project in Highland Council’s area, the outcomes of which were a 75 per cent time saving for professionals, a 50 pe...
Liz Smith Con
Mark McDonald will be aware that the conclusion of the pathfinder study was that there is no proof that those outcomes were due to the named person policy or...
The Minister for Learning, Science and Scotland’s Languages (Dr Alasdair Allan) SNP
That assertion is disgraceful.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order, please. We cannot have sedentary interventions.
Liz Smith Con
No, it is not disgraceful. That is exactly what is happening in our schools. At the end of the day, and despite all the protestations that we are hearing ju...
Dr Allan SNP
We have already heard about the example from Highland Council, which of course was using a system similar to the named person system prior to the pilot. Has ...
Liz Smith Con
I have every kind of evidence. We have seen in the newspapers that many parents are fed up with being told what they have to agree to. The Scottish Governmen...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell) SNP
What element of SHANARRI does Liz Smith disagree with?
Liz Smith Con
How on earth can the minister accept that SHANARRI is an acceptable way of assessing a child? Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order, please. Minister, please stop shouting from a sedentary position.
Liz Smith Con
The minister is perhaps getting a little uptight. Perhaps that is exactly what many parents feel. The practice of the policy is flawed, but that is as nothi...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Angela Constance) SNP
Will Liz Smith take an intervention?
Liz Smith Con
I will continue for a minute, if I may. Perhaps the cabinet secretary can answer this point. The essential trust that is the crucial ingredient on which to ...
Angela Constance SNP
How do we assess the needs of a child? Do we assess all children in a fair and professional manner or do we make some lazy assumptions about which children a...
Liz Smith Con
I think that some teachers in our schools might take great exception to what the cabinet secretary has just said. They are professionals who are trained to d...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Aileen Campbell) SNP
I am proud that this Parliament took the groundbreaking Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill through the Parliament last year. The Children and Young Pe...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister simply specify what, at the moment, precludes authorities from intervening where they believe a child to be at risk?
Aileen Campbell SNP
We have child protection laws in place, but the system that we are talking about has been proven to demonstrate good, positive outcomes for children, which M...
Ruth Davidson (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Aileen Campbell SNP
Of course, if the member wants to talk about her article.
Ruth Davidson Con
Does the minister acknowledge that in that article I referred to the testimony of senior members of Scotland’s police force, which was that the approach will...
Aileen Campbell SNP
Police Scotland has been a full and constructive member of the GIRFEC programme board and has been supportive of the named person approach, as it said many t...
Liz Smith Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Aileen Campbell SNP
I have taken two already; I must make progress. We cannot predict which mum might suffer post-natal depression or which family might suffer bereavement, and...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
We often begin such debates by congratulating the relevant party on bringing it forward. I cannot do that today because this is a calculatedly unhelpful deba...
Liz Smith Con
Does Iain Gray approve of the Hopscotch play that has been taken around our primary schools?