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Meeting of the Parliament 01 December 2015

01 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Watt, Maureen SNP Aberdeen South and North Kincardine Watch on SPTV

I am delighted to open the stage 1 debate on the principles of the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Health and Sport Committee for its consideration of the bill and stage 1 report. I also thank the Finance Committee and the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee for their consideration of the bill. I am pleased that evidence was taken from such a wide range of organisations and individuals.

I welcome the opportunity to discuss the principles of the bill and the positive contribution that it will make to public health and the delivery of health and social care services in Scotland. The Health and Sport Committee made a number of detailed recommendations in its stage 1 report. I responded to those recommendations yesterday, but I will address some of the more significant points here today.

Our bill defines electronic cigarettes as nicotine vapour products—NVPs. The bill builds on the requirements of the European Union tobacco products directive, which must apply across the United Kingdom by 20 May 2016. The directive sets standards for the composition, labelling and marketing of devices and e-liquids.

On the basis of current evidence, NVPs are generally considered to be a less harmful alternative to tobacco. However, there is also consensus that the inhalation of those products is not risk free, particularly for young people and those with some medical conditions. Although emerging evidence suggests that NVPs could help smokers to quit tobacco, there is a lack of evidence about the short and long-term effects of vaping.

In the absence of long-term evidence, the committee heard a range of concerns about whether the products might normalise smoking behaviours and act as a gateway to nicotine addiction and/or smoking. Debates around those concerns will continue, but we can all agree that there are certainly no benefits to be had from children playing at smoking.

The revised EU tobacco products directive will place restrictions on the cross-border advertising of e-cigarettes, for example, television and radio advertising. Our bill builds on the directive by making powers to prohibit domestic advertising on, for example, billboards, posters and leaflets. However, I do not intend to ban certain points-of-sale advertising of NVPs. It is important that smokers are able to access information, ask questions and receive consultation about which products might be right for them.

The committee asked the Scottish Government to consider whether the national health service should issue national guidance about the potential risks and benefits of using an NVP to quit smoking. The Scottish Government is working with NHS boards to establish a consistent approach to providing advice and support to individuals who want to stop smoking using NVPs.

The bill will introduce an age verification policy for the sale of NVPs and tobacco; it will also ban unauthorised sales by a person under the age of 18. The measures will strengthen the age restrictions associated with the sale of tobacco products and NVPs. Likewise, banning the sale of NVPs from vending machines reflects the fact that self-service vending machines cannot satisfactorily include a process for the vendor to verify age.

Any person who intends to sell NVPs will be required to register on our retailer register. That requirement has been in place for tobacco products since 2011, and it has proved a useful tool for trading standards officers in both supporting retailers and enforcing tobacco sales legislation. The approach that is taken in the bill provides consistency across tobacco and NVPs without placing undue burdens on retailers.

The committee highlighted concerns that extending the tobacco register to NVPs could mislead people to think that tobacco and NVPs have the same level of harm. That is not my intention. In implementing the legislation, the Scottish Government will explore opportunities to provide a clear separation between the products on the website where the register is publicly available.

The bill proposes an offence of smoking and knowingly permitting smoking in a perimeter around buildings on NHS hospital grounds. That is not about stigmatising smokers. Preventing ill health is a major challenge for our health services now and in the future. Tobacco remains the biggest cause of preventable disease and death in Scotland. The committee heard evidence that our NHS must show leadership in supporting and promoting healthy behaviours, particularly around tackling smoking. The bill provides an enforcement tool to support existing smoke-free hospital grounds policies.

As an alternative, the committee suggested that the Scottish Government consider allowing NHS boards to set different perimeters in their own grounds. However, it is important to recognise that boards have been encouraged to set their own smoke-free grounds policies since the introduction of smoke-free legislation nearly a decade ago.

In developing our current tobacco control strategy, there was a clear ask of the Government to support a consistent approach across boards. In introducing legislation to support smoke-free policies, consistency is essential. It is important that we can communicate a simple and clear message about the requirements of the law. Setting perimeters with a different distance at each NHS hospital site could lead to confusion about what constitutes an offence. However, the Scottish Government will consult health boards in developing the details of the smoke-free perimeter.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15003, in the name of Maureen Watt, on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. Membe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Maureen Watt. You have 14 minutes. You can start as soon as you are ready, Ms Watt. 14:31
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I am delighted to open the stage 1 debate on the principles of the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Health and Sport Comm...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Can the minister give us an indication whether any patients who are smokers have signed themselves out of hospital early because they have been unable to smo...
Maureen Watt SNP
I am not aware of that happening. If the member has evidence of that happening, I am happy to look into it. Obviously, I hope that patients would discuss the...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Maureen Watt SNP
I have to make progress. If the member wants to ask me a question during her speech, I will happily answer it when I am closing. Key to this will be the org...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
At one time there were adverts to promote cigarettes showing Ronald Reagan giving them as Christmas gifts or Superman jumping out of a helicopter, but long g...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will begin by clarifying a question that I want to ask the minister, just so that she is clear from the outset, as I would very much like an answer in her ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I let the open debate speakers know that, at the moment, I will probably be able to give them all up to seven minutes. 15:04
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Government bill that we are discussing today makes three very important proposals: the development of policies around tobacco, nicotine and smok...
Maureen Watt SNP
The member will of course know that, in many cases, the Government’s response does not come out before the stage 1 debate and that the reply to the stage 1 r...
Nanette Milne Con
I accept the minister’s explanation but, having sat all day yesterday waiting to get the response, I would probably have been better just to ignore the infor...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
In relation to apologies, does the member welcome, as I do, section 23(2), which makes it clear that the offering of an apology, a statement of sorrow or reg...
Nanette Milne Con
I agree with the member on that. I would be very concerned if that was not stated in the bill. A similar lack of definition is cited by opponents of the pro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to the open debate. We have a bit of time in hand, so members each have seven minutes or thereby. 15:12
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am glad to be given the opportunity to speak in today’s debate on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill. As members are aware, the bi...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Mr Maxwell quoted Public Health England, which in its review states that smoking prevalence has declined in adults and young people since e-cigarettes were i...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I disagree with the comments of my esteemed colleague from Aberdeen. We can see a pattern over the years in how tobacco companies have tried to get new marke...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
We all support the Scottish Government’s ambitious target to reduce smoking prevalence to 5 per cent by 2034, but the simple fact is that we are not making n...
Maureen Watt SNP
Mr Chisholm will know that, for the NHS to recommend NVPs as a smoking cessation product, they would have to be licensed. E-cigarette companies have not aske...
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
The committee will look into that issue and the complexities of the process. That certainly needs to be looked at. The need for a register is widely accepte...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Since becoming an MSP, I have taken a keen interest in reducing the harm that smoking causes. In July 2001, I proposed a regulation of smoking bill, with the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I am at a loss for words. I call Hanzala Malik, to be followed by Kevin Stewart. 15:34
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer, and good afternoon to you. When speaking in today’s stage 1 debate on the Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) B...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
First, the confession: I was a smoker. I started smoking when I was 14, and not because of advertising or parental influence—my parents did not smoke. There ...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
We should congratulate all the Health and Sport Committee’s members—and the clerks, of course—for all their hard work on the committee report. We are again l...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the progress that has been made on smoking by the Scottish Parliament, including members here present. When it comes to smoking, we need to strike...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
There has been a lot of focus on part 1 of the bill, and I make no apology for focusing a lot of my attention on it, too. It is interesting to hear confessi...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Are we correct to use the word “choice”? Where addictions are concerned, it is precisely the case that choice is absent because that health issue denies peop...