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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 01 December 2015

01 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Topical Question Time
Police Scotland (Interception of Communications Commissioner’s Office Review)
Matheson, Michael SNP Falkirk West Watch on SPTV

The member seems to be getting himself even more confused on the issue. The governance and oversight of this area of reserved legislation is with IOCCO, which was put in place by a Labour Government to ensure that the public bodies that had these powers were being held to account. That is exactly what IOCCO is there for.

I do not know whether the member is suggesting that we should get rid of IOCCO. If so, it is for the UK Government to get rid of IOCCO and replace it with something else. There is currently a proposal for a new investigative powers framework that could include the merging of the different inspection and oversight regimes that we have in the UK. However, the oversight mechanism for this is not peculiar to Police Scotland, which is the impression that the member would like to give; it has applied to all police forces in Scotland. It is a robust mechanism that has identified failings and has put measures in place.

Given the member’s policing experience, I would not have thought that he would be as confused about the issue as he clearly is.

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Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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Michael Matheson SNP
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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Michael Matheson SNP
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John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
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The Presiding Officer NPA
As the member knows, that is not a point of order. What the minister says is entirely a matter for him.
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That is not a point of order.