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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 25 November 2015

25 Nov 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Clyde and Hebrides Ferry Services
Mackay, Derek SNP Renfrewshire North and West Watch on SPTV

I will begin on a point of consensus. Whatever my disagreement with David Stewart on the legal opinion or on matters of interpretation, and whatever disagreements we, as a Government, may have had with the trade unions—although we had a very positive and constructive summer—we agree with defending their right to take whatever action they believe is necessary to represent their members’ interests. On that we certainly agree, unlike the Conservatives, who want to remove the trade unions’ rights to represent the interests of their members.

The Scottish Government recognises that Scotland’s ferry services provide a lifeline service for our island communities, and we are fully committed to the continued delivery of safe, reliable, publicly owned ferry services. We have invested a record £1 billion in vessels, ports and ferry services since 2007, and we have restored commercial shipbuilding to the Clyde with the construction by Ferguson’s shipyard of world-leading hybrid ferries. The third vessel, MV Catriona, will be launched in Port Glasgow on 11 December, and we have awarded contracts worth £97 million to Ferguson’s for two new major ferries for the CalMac fleet. We have also delivered the new MV Loch Seaforth and have invested around £30 million in harbour works for the Stornoway to Ullapool route, and we are currently investing £18 million in the major redevelopment of Brodick harbour in Arran.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14942, in the name of David Stewart, on keeping CalMac public. Before we start the debate, I remind membe...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
As a lifelong trade unionist, I warmly welcome to the gallery this afternoon officials and members representing CalMac Ferries and beyond. I would ask all me...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
David Stewart Lab
Not now. I will take an intervention from the member later. Let us not forget that CalMac has run the Clyde and Hebrides ferry routes at profit in every yea...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
David Stewart Lab
Not now. As the West Highland Free Press said: “Serco is not a shipping company. It is a multi-faceted specialist in outsourcing which exists to exploit th...
Chic Brodie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
David Stewart Lab
Not now. We know how the model works: the Tories privatise an asset; Serco bids to manage the asset; it then cuts the service to the bone and posts a handso...
Chic Brodie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
David Stewart Lab
Not at this point. In a parliamentary question in June this year, I asked the transport minister whether he had raised the Teckal exemption with the Europea...
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
If David Stewart cared to expand on the answer that I gave him, members would hear that the Teckal exemption is irrelevant because the maritime cabotage regu...
David Stewart Lab
I note what the minister says, and I might have some news for him and the Scottish National Party Government in my speech. Over the summer, I headed to Brus...
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
I will begin on a point of consensus. Whatever my disagreement with David Stewart on the legal opinion or on matters of interpretation, and whatever disagree...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
The minister says that the Scottish Government wants publicly owned ferry services. Does he think that a private company can deliver a publicly owned service...
Derek Mackay SNP
As a consequence of our designing the tender process, we will continue to own the vessels and to set fares and timetables. In that sense, the services are st...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
At what point will the minister acknowledge not just Teckal’s existence but the fact that case law and the decisions taken on Teckal have changed the circums...
Derek Mackay SNP
The member knows that it is not practice to share legal advice with others, but a useful exercise over the summer considered the legal advice, and I am afrai...
David Stewart Lab
Will the minister give way?
Derek Mackay SNP
Of course.
David Stewart Lab
I understand the minister’s point, but does he understand that it is in his power today to enforce the 2014 EU procurement directives, which make it easier t...
Derek Mackay SNP
David Stewart keeps on returning to the matter of legal opinion. It is our opinion that we have to undertake the process—there is no escaping it. Within the ...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Any student of politics of any duration who looked in on today’s debate would obviously be inspired by the nature of the debate so far—although they might ge...
Johann Lamont Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Johnstone Con
No, thank you—not at the moment. That affection for CalMac is genuine because so many people who depend on its services know that CalMac is the provider. On...
Sarah Boyack Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Will the member give way?
Alex Johnstone Con
No, thank you. We must get a handle on the cost of ferry services. We support in principle the notion that the Government advanced of the road equivalent ta...
Derek Mackay SNP
Does the member not accept that that is partly to do with the very aim that I have suggested—that of safeguarding the lifeline services and not having them p...
Alex Johnstone Con
That would have been the effect had the services been completely unbundled but, as the Government and the minister know, the services could have been partly ...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I say to Mr Johnstone that the truth is that we lost a vote, as one or two colleagues on the far benches will well remember. Back in 2005, lots of Labour col...