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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 11 November 2015

11 Nov 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

The spirit of this afternoon’s debate has served to highlight the value that the scrutiny of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee brings to the Scottish Law Commission bill procedures. In front of a reasonably full public gallery, it also shows that the Parliament can occasionally agree on matters of importance to the people of Scotland.

There is little doubt that the reform of the law of succession has been long awaited, as Nigel Don, John Scott, Richard Baker and Graeme Pearson have indicated. It has been a long time since the issue first came up, and I echo the points that were made by members about the new procedure allowing important work to come forward when it is merited. There is a clear view that change is overdue and that it is being eagerly anticipated.

There is a lot of good will out there for the legislation as it goes forward and I very much welcome the positive thoughts of members across the chamber. The debate has highlighted a tricky area of law that has been well served by the Law Commission exposing difficult issues and anomalies and providing solutions that will lead to a fairer and more consistent law. After all, as I said in opening and as a number of other members have acknowledged, the bill has the potential to affect everybody. The one certainty in life is, of course, death. For that reason, we all have an interest in ensuring that succession law is fit for purpose and meets the challenges of today’s society and expectations.

Woody Allen famously said:

“I’m not afraid of death, I just don’t want to be there when it happens.”

I think that we can all echo that sentiment. However, the difficulty with not being there is that what the deceased wanted to happen to their estate is often not very clear. That touches on Stewart Stevenson’s point about online wills. The law therefore needs to step in and fill that void, and deal with things in a fair way. It is therefore only right that generally overlooked and neglected areas of succession law are thoroughly debated, as the impact of such law on individual people and families can be considerable.

In my opening speech, I talked about some of the key provisions of the bill. Others include clarifying the law on forfeiture, which has also been referred to. Forfeiture is a legal rule that prevents someone who is responsible for the unlawful death of another from benefiting under the deceased’s will. I will take on board Stewart Stevenson’s point and reflect on it. There has been some colourful evidence on this issue. Among other things, the bill will place it beyond doubt that the children of a forfeiter will not be punished for the actions of their parent under the law of succession.

The bill will also restate and improve some protections around the administration of estates. Those changes have been described as useful and practical additions to the administration rules, which will have benefits for executors and beneficiaries alike.

There is little doubt that the combined effect of the initial work of the Law Commission, the professional scrutiny of the committee and the comments offered by experts in this field of law will result in a bill that will make a difference and meet our policy aims of a more consistent, clearer and fairer law. I hope that the Scottish Parliament is reassured that we have listened hard to the committee and the experts and continue to liaise with the Law Commission on the points of detail.

We will lodge a number of amendments at stage 2, as mentioned by John Scott and others, to address many of the points that were raised in the stage 1 report and by those giving evidence.

There are other issues on which we are continuing to reflect. As I have mentioned, the law that is being changed is technical and tricky, so we need to think through the consequences of any amendments to ensure that they deliver something that is fit for purpose. For that reason, we will continue to seek views from the profession and work closely with the Law Commission to test the amendments.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14768, in the name of Paul Wheelhouse, on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. 14:40
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. I thank those who submitted evidence, and I thank the convener, members and clerks of the ...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. This is a Scottish Law Commi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could you draw to a close, please?
Nigel Don SNP
Although the reforms in the bill are technical and comparatively uncontroversial, they represent very important and necessary changes to succession law. More...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
As has been said, this bill was not considered by the Justice Committee, and I was completely unaware of its provisions until last week. I have not read thro...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
I, too, am pleased to be participating in this stage 1 debate on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee’s con...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now move to the short open debate, with speeches of a maximum of four minutes. 15:05
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
This is an interesting bill, which we have been dealing with in the DPLR Committee. I will address my remarks to the rectification provisions in sections 3 a...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Although the bill is technical in nature, I agree with other members’ view that it is important. All of us, inside or outside the chamber, want to be assured...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Will you draw to a close, please?
Richard Baker Lab
The bill should certainly be supported at stage 1 today.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We turn to the closing speeches. 15:13
John Scott Con
I thank members for a good debate this afternoon. It is clear that there is a great deal of consensus in the Parliament and I am pleased that the Scottish La...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Labour supports the approach that has been taken at stage 1. Wills and inheritance are an important issue and I am grateful to Nigel Don and the DPLR Committ...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
The member talks about keeping up with modern developments. Does he welcome, as I think I do, the abolition of the Parricide Act 1594, because it means that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that you are approaching your last minute, Mr Pearson.
Graeme Pearson Lab
Indeed. I accept Stewart Stevenson’s point. The Parricide Act was enacted in 1594, so it has taken us a while to reconsider the circumstances, but the decisi...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
The spirit of this afternoon’s debate has served to highlight the value that the scrutiny of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee brings to the Scot...
Nigel Don SNP
On that point, I am conscious of the issue of common calamity, when we are not clear in which order people have died, and the risk that the estate will finis...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I take the member’s points on board. We are trying to deliver as much certainty as we can in the law of succession. I was going to turn in any case to the p...