Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 10 November 2015
10 Nov 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Policing
The HMICS report does not say that the end model that has been set out by Police Scotland should not be pursued. It states that it can offer the intended service.
The purpose of the independent experts is to provide a gateway review and assurances. When Police Scotland produces its final proposals for the changes in the north of the country, they will go to independent experts to be assured that everything that is necessary to facilitate those changes can be taken forward—that all the necessary assurances are in place. The second part of that is the independent expertise that will be fed into Police Scotland by those who are expert in this type of change management.
The end model is still the approach that is being taken by Police Scotland. However, safeguards will be put in place to make sure that, before the final stage is taken forward in the north, independent expertise has been fed into Police Scotland and the SPA before they agree to the final sign-off.
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The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a statement by Michael Matheson on policing. The cabinet secretary will take questions at the end of his statement, so there sho...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson)
SNP
I welcome this early opportunity to update Parliament following the publication today of “Independent Assurance Review Police Scotland—Call Handling Final Re...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
The cabinet secretary will now take questions on the issues raised in his statement. I intend to allow around 20 minutes for questions, after which we will m...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for sight of the statement prior to his making it. Even in the language of management speak and acronyms, the HMICS r...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Can we just get to the question, Mr Pearson?
Graeme Pearson
Lab
Will he now apologise to the Bell and Yuill families—
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Please sit down, Mr Pearson. Cabinet secretary, would you like to address Mr Pearson’s other points?
Michael Matheson
SNP
Mr Pearson made reference to a number of points in the report. The important issue is that the very reason for directing HMICS to undertake the review was to...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer
NPA
We will wait until the minister has finished his answer before I take your point of order, Mr Findlay.
Michael Matheson
SNP
—to making sure that the lessons from the management of this particular area of the restructuring are learned and that the same mistakes are not made again. ...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I will now take Mr Findlay’s point of order.
Neil Findlay
Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. These are very important issues that every one of us has constituents speaking to us about. The minister has just had longer to...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Mr Findlay, I am well aware of the seriousness of these matters. Every Opposition spokesperson knows how long they are expected to speak for, and that is one...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con)
Con
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP)
SNP
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD)
LD
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Lab
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SNP
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SNP
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SNP
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Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
SNP
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Ind
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Michael Matheson
SNP
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