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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 04 November 2015

04 Nov 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Supporting Scotland’s Children

Tax credits work. They boost people’s earnings in a targeted way to really tackle inequality. They lift hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty and allow families to aspire to more than just making it to the end of the month or the end of the week. David Cameron has broken his promise not to cut tax credits, and working families are paying the price. In Scotland, nearly 350,000 families rely on the money from tax credits, with the average family being more than £100 a month worse off as a result of the cuts that are planned by the Tories. It is a rise in tax on the working poor, and 70 per cent of the money saved by this rise in tax on working people will come from the pockets of working mothers. In a few weeks, just before Christmas, families are due to receive letters on their doormats telling them how much they will lose. What a cruel way to break a promise.

I never thought that I would say this, but thank God for the House of Lords. Labour, working alongside cross benchers, led the defeat of the chancellor’s plans in the House of Lords, and he has been forced to think again. We must keep the pressure on the Tories to cancel their plans to cut tax credits but, if they ultimately refuse, we will stand up for Scottish families come what may. It was not just the Tories who made a promise to the people of Scotland. Both Labour and the SNP promised working families a break from Tory austerity. That is why we should use the new powers that are coming to the Scottish Parliament to restore the money lost from tax credits for working families.

Few members in this chamber could have been as vocal about this Parliament taking on more financial responsibility as the leader of the Scottish Conservatives. I have no doubt in my mind that, next year, the Tories will run on a ticket of tax cuts. However, they cannot claim, as they appear to want to, to be caring or compassionate Conservatives if they let George Osborne cut tax credits for working families. If Ruth Davidson does not intervene to stop that, she and her party will stand accused of introducing a measure that is even worse than the poll tax in Scotland. Anything short of that and the mask slips, and we will know that compassionate Conservatism is simply a sham.

We have been here before: the Tories make a cruel decision at Westminster, the Scottish Tories look awkwardly at their shoes, and the SNP does anything at all to avoid taking responsibility. That past decision was, of course, the bedroom tax, which is mentioned in the SNP’s amendment. For months, the SNP said that protecting vulnerable Scots from the bedroom tax just could not be done, despite Scottish Labour saying repeatedly that it could. We had the money and the power then, but the SNP did not have the political will to do anything about it. Vulnerable people had to wait a year for action by the SNP.

John Swinney—where has he gone?—has elected not to speak in a debate this afternoon about the tax choices that this Government faces. He eventually admitted that he could mitigate the impact of the bedroom tax, but he did not want to do that because it would let Westminster off the hook. What a shameful thing to say when he claims to be anti-austerity.

The reality is that the SNP set up constitutional excuses to avoid blocking the bedroom tax for as long as it possibly could. It had to be dragged kicking and screaming into this chamber to a decision by Scottish Labour. It is shameful that the SNP is attempting to play the same red herring yet again, but it should be careful: people saw through that the first time, and they will see through the SNP again.

The SNP Government is trying to claim that we cannot restore tax credits and protect working families, but we can. It is trying to claim that the new powers that are coming to Scotland will not allow us to make fairer choices on tax credits, but they will.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14688, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on supporting Scotland’s children. 14:40
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Today is a historic day for the Scottish Parliament and a defining day for devolution. The members of this Parliament are going to look ahead to the future a...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will Jackie Baillie spell out how much money will be raised by the tax changes that she proposes?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will do so in the course of my speech. I wonder whether I can get Mr Fraser to reflect on the words of Tory member of Parliament David Davis, who said: “...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will Ms Baillie give way on that point?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will, in a second. The SNP wants to hide behind the constitution. Stronger for Scotland? The SNP is not stronger for working families. The First Minister ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
In 2013, Ms Baillie said: “I’m not saying that, y’know, we can’t develop our own welfare system; I’m saying we shouldn’t develop our own welfare system.” W...
Jackie Baillie Lab
It is typical of SNP members to hark back to the past. Fifty-five is greater than 45—they did not win the referendum. The people of Scotland’s settled will i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order, please, particularly on the Government front bench.
Jackie Baillie Lab
Tax credits work. They boost people’s earnings in a targeted way to really tackle inequality. They lift hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty and ...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
How?
Jackie Baillie Lab
Clause 21 of the Scotland Bill gives us to the power to do that. I quote the Scotland Office: “Holyrood will be able to top up payments to people in Scotlan...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Is Ms Baillie not aware that the top-up of reserved benefits can happen only in cases of severe hardship and that if someone has had their benefit taken off ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I will give you the time back.
Jackie Baillie Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. What is fascinating is that the member clearly does not understand the detail that is there. Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order, please.
Jackie Baillie Lab
How many times does she need to be told? The UK Government, SPICe and the independent experts at the House of Commons library all say that we can top up rese...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Communities and Pensioners’ Rights (Alex Neil) SNP
Last night, Jackie Baillie voted with the Tories to spend £167 billion on replacing Trident and building a new generation of weapons of mass destruction. I f...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Alex Neil SNP
No. Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order.
Alex Neil SNP
Jackie Baillie made it clear during the referendum that she is opposed to social security powers coming to this Parliament. Had Jackie Baillie had her way, w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Would you sit down please, cabinet secretary? Rhoda Grant has a point of order.
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I would like to ask for your guidance, Presiding Officer. I thought that members had to speak to the motion for debate and that it is not in order to speak t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you, Ms Grant. The cabinet secretary is opening with debating points. He is speaking about welfare, and it is entirely up to me whether I stop him. Ca...
Alex Neil SNP
Right, Presiding Officer. Labour members do not like the truth. If we had listened to Jackie Baillie and this Parliament was therefore to be denied social s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order, please.
Alex Neil SNP
It is no wonder that the Scottish Labour Party has no credibility when it comes to fighting the Tory cuts. Unlike the Labour Party, the SNP has fought the we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Cabinet secretary, could you address your remarks through the chair, please?
Alex Neil SNP
I am doing so. Unlike the Labour Party, we will not run up the white flag while there is still a realistic chance of forcing the Tory Chancellor of the Exch...