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Meeting of the Parliament 04 November 2015

04 Nov 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Supporting Scotland’s Children

I will do so in the course of my speech.

I wonder whether I can get Mr Fraser to reflect on the words of Tory member of Parliament David Davis, who said:

“The Government needs to look at this again. For three million families losing £1,000 doesn’t mean cancelling your holiday, it means an empty pantry. I hope this doesn’t turn out to be our Poll Tax.”

When Murdo Fraser opens the debate for the Conservatives, will he say whether he agrees with David Davis?

Labour will use the new powers that are coming to this Parliament to fulfil its historic mission to stand up for working people. I promise members that no one will pay more tax than they are paying now under Labour’s plans to restore the money that is lost from tax credits—not one penny more.

We would use the air passenger duty of £250 million to help working families, rather than give a tax cut to airlines, as the SNP proposes to do. We would not increase tax thresholds for those earning more than £42,000, as the Tories propose to do. That will give funding of £440 million, to answer Murdo Fraser’s question. There is more than enough from both those sources to fully fund the policy and even a bit more.

The SNP really does need to keep up. The claim that our funding has already been committed for education is absolute nonsense. Unlike the SNP, we do not spend the same amount of money over and over again. As Kezia Dugdale said at the weekend, we will use the powers that are coming to Scotland to set a 50p top rate of tax on those who are earning more than £150,000 a year, to invest in education. Specifically, we will create a fair start fund for our poorest pupils—an idea that was praised this week by the commission on school reform, which criticised the SNP’s lack of urgency in closing the attainment gap between the richest and the rest in our classrooms.

The Government’s amendment is factually wrong, but I do not imagine that that will bother Alex Neil much. Why let the facts stand in the way of his spinning yarns? I fully expect from him a pantomime dame performance to distract us from the paucity of the SNP’s position. The SNP’s amendment says that we do not have the power. What rubbish! John Swinney says that we do not have the money, but I have just demonstrated that we do. This is about political will. Alex Neil has over 5,000 families in his constituency who are in receipt of tax credits; today, he has turned his back on them, offering them a pitiful excuse rather than real action. He is putting grudge and grievance with the United Kingdom before action that will help working families, and he is using the constitution simply as a distraction and an excuse.

Like the SNP Government, Alex Neil is very good at talking but not so good at doing. Just last Sunday, Alex Neil—who knows that I hang on his every word—said:

“Tax credits can be a lifeline for families on low incomes that rely on them to get through daily life, put food on the table, heat their home and pay their bills.”

I agree. He said:

“Removing this vital support from thousands of families will widen the gap in inequalities and push even more people into poverty.”

I agree with that, too. He also said:

“The UK Government’s plans are a clear attack on low income working families and those families must be protected as a matter of urgency.”

Alex Neil can claim the match ball, because that is a hat trick of things that I agree with him about. Both Alex Neil and I oppose Tory austerity; the difference between us is that I am willing to do something about it instead of simply wringing my hands and telling everybody how bad it is.

Let us take action, see the possibilities of devolution and use the power to do good. I am willing to unlock the potential of devolution and use the powers of this Parliament for the purpose of standing up for working-class families.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14688, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on supporting Scotland’s children. 14:40
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Today is a historic day for the Scottish Parliament and a defining day for devolution. The members of this Parliament are going to look ahead to the future a...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will Jackie Baillie spell out how much money will be raised by the tax changes that she proposes?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will do so in the course of my speech. I wonder whether I can get Mr Fraser to reflect on the words of Tory member of Parliament David Davis, who said: “...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will Ms Baillie give way on that point?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will, in a second. The SNP wants to hide behind the constitution. Stronger for Scotland? The SNP is not stronger for working families. The First Minister ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
In 2013, Ms Baillie said: “I’m not saying that, y’know, we can’t develop our own welfare system; I’m saying we shouldn’t develop our own welfare system.” W...
Jackie Baillie Lab
It is typical of SNP members to hark back to the past. Fifty-five is greater than 45—they did not win the referendum. The people of Scotland’s settled will i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order, please, particularly on the Government front bench.
Jackie Baillie Lab
Tax credits work. They boost people’s earnings in a targeted way to really tackle inequality. They lift hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty and ...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
How?
Jackie Baillie Lab
Clause 21 of the Scotland Bill gives us to the power to do that. I quote the Scotland Office: “Holyrood will be able to top up payments to people in Scotlan...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Is Ms Baillie not aware that the top-up of reserved benefits can happen only in cases of severe hardship and that if someone has had their benefit taken off ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I will give you the time back.
Jackie Baillie Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. What is fascinating is that the member clearly does not understand the detail that is there. Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order, please.
Jackie Baillie Lab
How many times does she need to be told? The UK Government, SPICe and the independent experts at the House of Commons library all say that we can top up rese...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Communities and Pensioners’ Rights (Alex Neil) SNP
Last night, Jackie Baillie voted with the Tories to spend £167 billion on replacing Trident and building a new generation of weapons of mass destruction. I f...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Alex Neil SNP
No. Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order.
Alex Neil SNP
Jackie Baillie made it clear during the referendum that she is opposed to social security powers coming to this Parliament. Had Jackie Baillie had her way, w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Would you sit down please, cabinet secretary? Rhoda Grant has a point of order.
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I would like to ask for your guidance, Presiding Officer. I thought that members had to speak to the motion for debate and that it is not in order to speak t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you, Ms Grant. The cabinet secretary is opening with debating points. He is speaking about welfare, and it is entirely up to me whether I stop him. Ca...
Alex Neil SNP
Right, Presiding Officer. Labour members do not like the truth. If we had listened to Jackie Baillie and this Parliament was therefore to be denied social s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order, please.
Alex Neil SNP
It is no wonder that the Scottish Labour Party has no credibility when it comes to fighting the Tory cuts. Unlike the Labour Party, the SNP has fought the we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Cabinet secretary, could you address your remarks through the chair, please?
Alex Neil SNP
I am doing so. Unlike the Labour Party, we will not run up the white flag while there is still a realistic chance of forcing the Tory Chancellor of the Exch...