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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 30 September 2015

30 Sep 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Employment
Rennie, Willie LD Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

Christina McKelvie said that she was surprised that she agreed with Jackie Baillie on one thing; I am surprised that I agree with Christina McKelvie on three things. It must be the first time that that has ever happened.

I agree that employment is about empowerment. It is about giving people the life chances to get up, get on and achieve more for themselves and their families. It is about the combination of social justice and economic discipline that we need to create the jobs of the future to give our families prosperity and to give our neighbours, friends and communities the opportunity to get up and get on as well.

I am surprised that I agree with Christina McKelvie on a second point: I am also an accredited living wage employer. That was not difficult because I was already doing it but, nevertheless, it is important to show the way to other employers, who should also pay the living wage.

Even though the Liberal Democrats are no longer in government, I do not wish to disassociate myself from the economic progress that we have made in the United Kingdom in recent years. We got the economy back on track with 175,000 extra jobs since 2010 and 2.4 million private sector jobs in the UK as a whole, 85 per cent of which were in full-time employment. Now, with the United Kingdom, we are managing to compete with some of the best in the G7 countries.

That is good progress and the progress that we made was a direct result of some of the measures that were taken, such as cutting tax for people on low and middle incomes to make work pay and creating the £2,000 national insurance allowance to help smaller employers in particular to take on more apprentices and other employees. The deficit reduction programme also gave confidence to the wider economy that Britain was a good place to do business. Combined with that, the lower rates on corporation tax encouraged businesses to employ more people here and to recruit from, and grow their businesses within, the United Kingdom.

Although we are no longer in power, there is a record to stand on for the progress that we made in that period of government.

I am always amused when SNP ministers boast about the differentials between the employment growth in Scotland and that in the rest of the United Kingdom and then, in the next breath, complain bitterly about the lack of economic powers for the Scottish Parliament. I am not sure how the two can be said in the same paragraph. I am not sure how they can claim that all the progress is a result of their measures but that they cannot take any measures to make progress. Some squaring of that circle from the SNP Government would be helpful.

We need to consider some of the levers that the SNP Government is currently not using to try to advance the economy in Scotland. One of the key levers about which I hear from small businesses in particular is the procurement budget. It is an enormous budget and an economic development tool that the Government should use to encourage more smaller businesses to employ more people locally. The complexity of the system still drives out too many small businesses, as the Federation of Small Businesses agrees.

I urge the Scottish Government to use that lever. We have had the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014, but the system is still not working. Far too many small businesses find it particularly difficult to get access to that budget. That in itself could be a good economic generator for the local community and local economic development.

I am particularly keen on nursery education. Expanding nursery education not only helps people get back to work, but improves life chances, particularly for those from disadvantaged backgrounds. Children who get that early education have a better chance in later life. In Scotland we still lag behind the performance of the rest of the UK in that area.

The colleges are a big area in which the Scottish Government could have a massive impact in improving the skills of young people—and older people, as well. Older people seem to be excluded from the Government’s plans, which put emphasis on the younger age groups.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14405, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on employment. 14:40
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Our vision for Scotland is based on an idea that is embedded in our values and written in our history as a party and a trade union movement, that is, that Sc...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member confirm that there was rising inequality in the United Kingdom between 1997 and 2010, when Labour was in power?
Jackie Baillie Lab
Rising inequality is nothing new; the challenge for the Parliament is how we work together to tackle it. I would rather look ahead than look back, as the mem...
The Minister for Youth and Women’s Employment (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Will the member give way?
Jackie Baillie Lab
In a second. Since the current First Minister came to power, our economy has lost jobs. I will be grateful if the minister explains how that has happened.
Annabelle Ewing SNP
Is the member aware that the most recent labour market statistics show that, compared with the UK as a whole, Scotland has a higher employment rate, a lower ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
The minister failed to answer the question that I put to her. I share with her that unemployment in Scotland today, at 5.9 per cent, is higher than the UK av...
The Cabinet Secretary for Fair Work, Skills and Training (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I see that Corbyn’s new, cuddly, kinder version of Labour has not quite reached Scotland yet. Jackie Baillie gave us an interesting tour of cross-portfolio i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There is a little time for interventions. 15:04
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for bringing this important subject to be debated. After the events of this week, it is encouraging to learn that the Labour Party i...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Although what the member says is, in passing, quite amusing, when will he get to the subject of the debate, which is employment?
Murdo Fraser Con
I am sure that Mr Findlay will reflect on Jackie Baillie’s desire to move the debate on from Jeremy Corbyn as quickly as possible. I do not think that that w...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Murdo Fraser proclaims how proud he is of the Tories’ moves on the living wage, but does he recognise that, at the same time, David Cameron is taking more th...
Murdo Fraser Con
Many families will benefit on a net basis from the living wage. Following George Osborne’s announcement, the director of the Living Wage Foundation, Rhys Moo...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
No. I have taken two interventions, and I need to make some progress. I also agree with the Labour Party that education is vital if we are to see a growing ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. Gordon MacDonald will be followed by Lewis Macdonald. You have a generous six minutes. 15:11
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
The Labour motion states that the “Scottish Government must be more ambitious to improve employment and economic performance”. What is the position in Scot...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Gordon MacDonald SNP
No, thanks. I want to get through all this. The levels of positive school-leaver destinations, both initial and sustained, are at an all-time high, with the...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Improving the lives of working people and reducing inequalities are—rightly—at the centre of the debate. They are key to transforming the Scottish economy’s ...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
As a minister, my instinct is to wait until the end of the consultation and consider the responses.
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I am always in favour of an evidence-based approach, but I have never yet met a politician whose political instincts were confined to listening to what other...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
Employment is fundamentally about empowerment and about people having the right opportunities to fulfil their ambitions, make a decent income and contribute ...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
Christina McKelvie said that she was surprised that she agreed with Jackie Baillie on one thing; I am surprised that I agree with Christina McKelvie on three...
Annabelle Ewing SNP
Is the member aware that the number of full-time students over 25 years of age at colleges has increased by 25 per cent since 2006-07?
Willie Rennie LD
The minister again completely ignores the fact that 140,000 places have been cut in Scottish colleges. Ministers continue to deny the problem. They cannot ke...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
We would never catch you doing that, Willie.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Order, please.