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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 30 September 2015

30 Sep 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Employment
Macdonald, Lewis Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Improving the lives of working people and reducing inequalities are—rightly—at the centre of the debate. They are key to transforming the Scottish economy’s productivity and translating economic growth into prosperity for all, and of course they are what the Labour and trade union movement is—and always has been—all about.

It is important to recognise the scale of the challenge that we face. In comparison with seven years ago, employment rates have fallen and full-time work levels have gone down, while part-time working and underemployment levels have gone up. Real wages have fallen and in-work poverty has increased. Those problems affect men, and especially women, across the Scottish economy.

As we have just heard, the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee is inquiring into work, wages and wellbeing in the Scottish labour market, and the committee heard more evidence this morning about the prevalence of poorly paid, low-quality jobs in parts of the economy and about the poverty and insecurity that they bring. Dave Watson of Unison Scotland described some of the “ugly” ways in which the worst employers in the care sector exploit their dedicated workers. Liz Cairns of Unite showed how commitments on paying the living wage can be and are avoided by employers subcontracting the work. Rob Gowans of Citizens Advice Scotland reported that half those who are awarded compensation by employment tribunals for unfair dismissal or other reasons are never paid in full, and that is not to mention all those who cannot afford the tribunal fee to bring their case in the first place.

Even in parts of the Scottish economy with high-quality, well-paid jobs, these are challenging times. In recent years, average salaries in the oil and gas industry in the north-east have been much higher than those across the economy as a whole but, in the past few months, that relative advantage has gone into reverse. Far from enjoying uninterrupted economic growth, the north-east regional economy is suffering its sharpest downturn in many years. Aberdeen and Grampian Chamber of Commerce describes that as a recession in confidence in the oil and gas supply chain.

The scale of the effect is not clear, because neither the Scottish Government nor the UK Government has yet seen fit to measure it. The industry has estimated that as many as 65,000 jobs have been lost across the UK supply chain in the past few months, but no public agency has yet attempted to measure what that means by country, region or sub-sector. It is time that they did so.

The impact of such a major downturn is not confined to the north-east. Thousands of jobs across the Scottish economy depend directly or indirectly on spending by oil and gas companies and their major contractors. Members from every part of Scotland will have seen jobs lost in their areas.

The Scottish Government needs to act now to quantify the numbers of jobs that have been lost in Scotland and to assess the impact on local and regional economies. Earlier this month, Fergus Ewing made a ministerial statement in response to calls from the Labour Party for him to do so. If employment and productivity in the Scottish economy are to be protected, we need his words to be followed by action.

One of Scottish Labour’s proposals in today’s debate is for devolution of the work programme to local authorities. I listened carefully to what Roseanna Cunningham said, and she is entitled to say that she will listen to and consider the evidence. However, it would be useful to know what ministers’ instinct is. Is their instinct to devolve the work programme to the lowest level that is practically possible or is it to keep control at the centre?

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14405, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on employment. 14:40
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Our vision for Scotland is based on an idea that is embedded in our values and written in our history as a party and a trade union movement, that is, that Sc...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member confirm that there was rising inequality in the United Kingdom between 1997 and 2010, when Labour was in power?
Jackie Baillie Lab
Rising inequality is nothing new; the challenge for the Parliament is how we work together to tackle it. I would rather look ahead than look back, as the mem...
The Minister for Youth and Women’s Employment (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Will the member give way?
Jackie Baillie Lab
In a second. Since the current First Minister came to power, our economy has lost jobs. I will be grateful if the minister explains how that has happened.
Annabelle Ewing SNP
Is the member aware that the most recent labour market statistics show that, compared with the UK as a whole, Scotland has a higher employment rate, a lower ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
The minister failed to answer the question that I put to her. I share with her that unemployment in Scotland today, at 5.9 per cent, is higher than the UK av...
The Cabinet Secretary for Fair Work, Skills and Training (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I see that Corbyn’s new, cuddly, kinder version of Labour has not quite reached Scotland yet. Jackie Baillie gave us an interesting tour of cross-portfolio i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There is a little time for interventions. 15:04
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for bringing this important subject to be debated. After the events of this week, it is encouraging to learn that the Labour Party i...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Although what the member says is, in passing, quite amusing, when will he get to the subject of the debate, which is employment?
Murdo Fraser Con
I am sure that Mr Findlay will reflect on Jackie Baillie’s desire to move the debate on from Jeremy Corbyn as quickly as possible. I do not think that that w...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Murdo Fraser proclaims how proud he is of the Tories’ moves on the living wage, but does he recognise that, at the same time, David Cameron is taking more th...
Murdo Fraser Con
Many families will benefit on a net basis from the living wage. Following George Osborne’s announcement, the director of the Living Wage Foundation, Rhys Moo...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
No. I have taken two interventions, and I need to make some progress. I also agree with the Labour Party that education is vital if we are to see a growing ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. Gordon MacDonald will be followed by Lewis Macdonald. You have a generous six minutes. 15:11
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
The Labour motion states that the “Scottish Government must be more ambitious to improve employment and economic performance”. What is the position in Scot...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Gordon MacDonald SNP
No, thanks. I want to get through all this. The levels of positive school-leaver destinations, both initial and sustained, are at an all-time high, with the...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Improving the lives of working people and reducing inequalities are—rightly—at the centre of the debate. They are key to transforming the Scottish economy’s ...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
As a minister, my instinct is to wait until the end of the consultation and consider the responses.
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I am always in favour of an evidence-based approach, but I have never yet met a politician whose political instincts were confined to listening to what other...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
Employment is fundamentally about empowerment and about people having the right opportunities to fulfil their ambitions, make a decent income and contribute ...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
Christina McKelvie said that she was surprised that she agreed with Jackie Baillie on one thing; I am surprised that I agree with Christina McKelvie on three...
Annabelle Ewing SNP
Is the member aware that the number of full-time students over 25 years of age at colleges has increased by 25 per cent since 2006-07?
Willie Rennie LD
The minister again completely ignores the fact that 140,000 places have been cut in Scottish colleges. Ministers continue to deny the problem. They cannot ke...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
We would never catch you doing that, Willie.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Order, please.