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Meeting of the Parliament 30 September 2015

30 Sep 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Employment
MacDonald, Gordon SNP Edinburgh Pentlands Watch on SPTV

No, thanks. I want to get through all this.

The levels of positive school-leaver destinations, both initial and sustained, are at an all-time high, with the percentage of 2013-14 school leavers who were in a sustained positive destination in March 2015 reaching 92 per cent. Overall, the proportion of 16 to 64-year-olds who are economically active is higher in Scotland than the UK figure and higher than that of any other UK nation, and the number of young people who are not in education, employment or training is at its lowest level since 2004.

That does not mean that there is not more to do. In its written evidence to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, Citizens Advice Scotland identified that

“18% of employees in Scotland are paid less than the Living Wage, equivalent to 418,000 individuals.”

That figure is far too high, but Scotland now has the lowest proportion of workers who are paid below the living wage of any UK nation. The Citizens Advice evidence also highlighted that a Joseph Rowntree Foundation report on a minimum income standard found that people who were being paid

“the National Minimum Wage and taking up all in-work benefit entitlements were short of a basic income as determined by members of the public”

of between £110 and £197 per week, which depended on their individual circumstances.

The Scottish Government does not have powers to adjust the national minimum wage or in-work social security benefits, and employment law is reserved to Westminster. Devolution of those powers is something that Unite called for in its response to the Smith commission, and it is something that the Labour Party failed to support.

What the Scottish Government can do until it gets legislative powers is influence public and private sector employers with a number of initiatives. The Scottish procurement policy note that was issued in February provides information on how and when employment practices and workforce matters, including payment of the living wage, should be considered in a public procurement exercise, as a key driver of service quality and contract delivery. A key point in the policy note states:

“Fair pay, including payment of the living wage, is one of the ways a bidder can demonstrate that it takes a positive approach to its workforce”.

It continues:

“The Scottish Government considers the payment of the living wage to be a significant indicator of employer commitment in this regard.”

We also have the Scottish business pledge, which is a partnership between the Scottish Government and business with the goal of boosting productivity, competitiveness, employment, fair work and workforce engagement and development. The pledge asks that employers pay the living wage, meet at least two of the other elements and have a longer-term commitment to meet all nine—paying the living wage, not using exploitative zero-hours contracts, supporting progressive workforce engagement, investing in youth, making progress on diversity and gender balance, committing to an innovation programme, pursuing international business opportunities, playing an active role in the community and committing to prompt payment.

Then there is the Scottish Government’s support for the Living Wage Foundation. The Government has set an example to other employers by receiving accreditation as a living wage employer. Independent research on employers that have introduced the living wage has shown that it increases employee productivity and improves morale, motivation and commitment from staff, and it can be a cost-saving opportunity for companies because of higher staff retention rates and reduced sickness absence levels.

It would be helpful to know what Labour’s position is on the living wage. The Labour shadow chancellor was reported in The Independent on Monday as saying that he

“wanted to raise the legal minimum wage to a full statutory living wage”.

However, in the same article, Labour’s shadow business secretary was reported as stating that

“George Osborne’s significant increase in the minimum wage should have been done more slowly”.

Given that a major discount supermarket is paying a higher minimum wage today than Labour wanted to introduce by 2020, it would be helpful to know what the Opposition policy actually is.

15:17  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14405, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on employment. 14:40
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Our vision for Scotland is based on an idea that is embedded in our values and written in our history as a party and a trade union movement, that is, that Sc...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member confirm that there was rising inequality in the United Kingdom between 1997 and 2010, when Labour was in power?
Jackie Baillie Lab
Rising inequality is nothing new; the challenge for the Parliament is how we work together to tackle it. I would rather look ahead than look back, as the mem...
The Minister for Youth and Women’s Employment (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Will the member give way?
Jackie Baillie Lab
In a second. Since the current First Minister came to power, our economy has lost jobs. I will be grateful if the minister explains how that has happened.
Annabelle Ewing SNP
Is the member aware that the most recent labour market statistics show that, compared with the UK as a whole, Scotland has a higher employment rate, a lower ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
The minister failed to answer the question that I put to her. I share with her that unemployment in Scotland today, at 5.9 per cent, is higher than the UK av...
The Cabinet Secretary for Fair Work, Skills and Training (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I see that Corbyn’s new, cuddly, kinder version of Labour has not quite reached Scotland yet. Jackie Baillie gave us an interesting tour of cross-portfolio i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There is a little time for interventions. 15:04
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for bringing this important subject to be debated. After the events of this week, it is encouraging to learn that the Labour Party i...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Although what the member says is, in passing, quite amusing, when will he get to the subject of the debate, which is employment?
Murdo Fraser Con
I am sure that Mr Findlay will reflect on Jackie Baillie’s desire to move the debate on from Jeremy Corbyn as quickly as possible. I do not think that that w...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Murdo Fraser proclaims how proud he is of the Tories’ moves on the living wage, but does he recognise that, at the same time, David Cameron is taking more th...
Murdo Fraser Con
Many families will benefit on a net basis from the living wage. Following George Osborne’s announcement, the director of the Living Wage Foundation, Rhys Moo...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
No. I have taken two interventions, and I need to make some progress. I also agree with the Labour Party that education is vital if we are to see a growing ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. Gordon MacDonald will be followed by Lewis Macdonald. You have a generous six minutes. 15:11
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
The Labour motion states that the “Scottish Government must be more ambitious to improve employment and economic performance”. What is the position in Scot...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Gordon MacDonald SNP
No, thanks. I want to get through all this. The levels of positive school-leaver destinations, both initial and sustained, are at an all-time high, with the...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Improving the lives of working people and reducing inequalities are—rightly—at the centre of the debate. They are key to transforming the Scottish economy’s ...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
As a minister, my instinct is to wait until the end of the consultation and consider the responses.
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I am always in favour of an evidence-based approach, but I have never yet met a politician whose political instincts were confined to listening to what other...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
Employment is fundamentally about empowerment and about people having the right opportunities to fulfil their ambitions, make a decent income and contribute ...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
Christina McKelvie said that she was surprised that she agreed with Jackie Baillie on one thing; I am surprised that I agree with Christina McKelvie on three...
Annabelle Ewing SNP
Is the member aware that the number of full-time students over 25 years of age at colleges has increased by 25 per cent since 2006-07?
Willie Rennie LD
The minister again completely ignores the fact that 140,000 places have been cut in Scottish colleges. Ministers continue to deny the problem. They cannot ke...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
We would never catch you doing that, Willie.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Order, please.