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Meeting of the Parliament 30 September 2015

30 Sep 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Employment
Fraser, Murdo Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I am sure that Mr Findlay will reflect on Jackie Baillie’s desire to move the debate on from Jeremy Corbyn as quickly as possible. I do not think that that will stand her in good stead.

It will do Jackie Baillie’s prospects in the Corbyn Labour Party no good at all when I say that I agree with much of her speech. We certainly agree that the Scottish Government needs to be more ambitious if it is to improve employment and economic performance, although we might well differ about the policies that are required to deliver those things.

Jackie Baillie’s speech was sadly lacking in one aspect. She failed to properly attribute success for increasing employment to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, who is the true author of that policy. Our amendment seeks to remedy that deficiency in recognising that employment in Scotland has increased by 175,000 since 2010, not by accident but as a result of the policies pursued by the UK Government. Those policies, of course, have been continually opposed and criticised by the Labour Party.

Do members remember Ed Balls? He is now a figure in the distant mists of Labour memory who was once a significant figure in the Labour Party. Some of us can even remember him claiming that the chancellor’s approach would not work. It was Mr Balls who, in a famous speech to the STUC in 2012, warned:

“we ... risk a lost decade of slow growth and high unemployment which will do long-term damage.”

None of that came to pass, of course. We also remember Labour’s favourite economist, Professor David Blanchflower, claiming that unemployment would go up to 5 million, with widespread social unrest. Both have been proven to be totally wrong. Perhaps an apology from Ms Baillie in her speech would not have been amiss. In fact, we have seen growth in employment, in full-time employment and in the number of hours worked. We have also seen increases in wages, and wages are now rising ahead of inflation.

However, we recognise that there is more to do. In particular, wages among the poorest in society have to be tackled, which is precisely why the UK Government has introduced the national living wage. That will come into effect from next April and rise to £9 an hour by 2020. It is hard to imagine any measure that will have a more positive impact on earnings for the least well-off, and it was no surprise that it was warmly welcomed by the Living Wage Foundation. That is coupled with increases in the tax threshold, which mean that many of the poorest are paying no income tax at all on their incomes.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14405, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on employment. 14:40
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Our vision for Scotland is based on an idea that is embedded in our values and written in our history as a party and a trade union movement, that is, that Sc...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member confirm that there was rising inequality in the United Kingdom between 1997 and 2010, when Labour was in power?
Jackie Baillie Lab
Rising inequality is nothing new; the challenge for the Parliament is how we work together to tackle it. I would rather look ahead than look back, as the mem...
The Minister for Youth and Women’s Employment (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Will the member give way?
Jackie Baillie Lab
In a second. Since the current First Minister came to power, our economy has lost jobs. I will be grateful if the minister explains how that has happened.
Annabelle Ewing SNP
Is the member aware that the most recent labour market statistics show that, compared with the UK as a whole, Scotland has a higher employment rate, a lower ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
The minister failed to answer the question that I put to her. I share with her that unemployment in Scotland today, at 5.9 per cent, is higher than the UK av...
The Cabinet Secretary for Fair Work, Skills and Training (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I see that Corbyn’s new, cuddly, kinder version of Labour has not quite reached Scotland yet. Jackie Baillie gave us an interesting tour of cross-portfolio i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There is a little time for interventions. 15:04
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for bringing this important subject to be debated. After the events of this week, it is encouraging to learn that the Labour Party i...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Although what the member says is, in passing, quite amusing, when will he get to the subject of the debate, which is employment?
Murdo Fraser Con
I am sure that Mr Findlay will reflect on Jackie Baillie’s desire to move the debate on from Jeremy Corbyn as quickly as possible. I do not think that that w...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Murdo Fraser proclaims how proud he is of the Tories’ moves on the living wage, but does he recognise that, at the same time, David Cameron is taking more th...
Murdo Fraser Con
Many families will benefit on a net basis from the living wage. Following George Osborne’s announcement, the director of the Living Wage Foundation, Rhys Moo...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
No. I have taken two interventions, and I need to make some progress. I also agree with the Labour Party that education is vital if we are to see a growing ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. Gordon MacDonald will be followed by Lewis Macdonald. You have a generous six minutes. 15:11
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
The Labour motion states that the “Scottish Government must be more ambitious to improve employment and economic performance”. What is the position in Scot...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Gordon MacDonald SNP
No, thanks. I want to get through all this. The levels of positive school-leaver destinations, both initial and sustained, are at an all-time high, with the...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Improving the lives of working people and reducing inequalities are—rightly—at the centre of the debate. They are key to transforming the Scottish economy’s ...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
As a minister, my instinct is to wait until the end of the consultation and consider the responses.
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I am always in favour of an evidence-based approach, but I have never yet met a politician whose political instincts were confined to listening to what other...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
Employment is fundamentally about empowerment and about people having the right opportunities to fulfil their ambitions, make a decent income and contribute ...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
Christina McKelvie said that she was surprised that she agreed with Jackie Baillie on one thing; I am surprised that I agree with Christina McKelvie on three...
Annabelle Ewing SNP
Is the member aware that the number of full-time students over 25 years of age at colleges has increased by 25 per cent since 2006-07?
Willie Rennie LD
The minister again completely ignores the fact that 140,000 places have been cut in Scottish colleges. Ministers continue to deny the problem. They cannot ke...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
We would never catch you doing that, Willie.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Order, please.