Committee
Equal Opportunities Committee 24 September 2015
24 Sep 2015 · S4 · Equal Opportunities Committee
Item of business
Subordinate Legislation
Qualifying Civil Partnership Modification (Scotland) Order 2015 [Draft]
The Minister for Local Government and Community Empowerment (Marco Biagi)
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It is a pleasure to be back here at the Equal Opportunities Committee to outline what the draft order will do and to ask the committee to recommend it. I clarify that the consultation that was announced to some fanfare two days ago and the draft order cover two separate issues. The draft order will allow people who are in a same-sex civil partnership that was registered outwith Scotland to marry here. The consultation is on the future of civil partnerships in Scotland generally. Any legislation following that consultation would be some way off and could not be introduced in this parliamentary session. The draft order will amend the definition of “qualifying civil partnership” in the Marriage and Civil Partnership (Scotland) Act 2014. That amendment will mean that couples who are in a civil partnership that was registered in England, Wales or Northern Ireland and couples who are in a civil partnership that was registered in an overseas jurisdiction could, if they wish, change their relationship to marriage in Scotland, through having a marriage ceremony. The draft order also provides that under Scots law the couples are to be treated as married from the date when they first registered their relationship or from 5 December 2005, if that date is later. The reason for that date is that that was when same-sex relationships were first given legal recognition in Scotland, through the Civil Partnership Act 2004. We have laid a separate Scottish statutory instrument, which is not subject to parliamentary procedure, which will make some minor changes to the marriage notice form to reflect that, in future, couples in a same-sex civil partnership that was registered outwith Scotland will be able to marry here. The committee’s stage 1 report on the Marriage and Civil Partnership (Scotland) Bill recommended that there should be provision so that couples in a civil partnership that was registered outwith Scotland could change their relationship into marriage here. There was a vigorous debate in the committee on amendments at stage 2, after which the Government amendment was eventually accepted. I entirely accept that it has taken the Government—us—longer to lay the draft order than we would have liked. Last year, we were busy implementing a range of components of the 2014 act so that, in particular, the first same-sex marriages could take place in Scotland in 2014. This year, we have carried out two consultations on the provision that is now in front of you. The first consultation was on the general principles. The second, in line with section 9 of the 2014 act, was on a draft of the order. As the policy note indicates, we took a number of steps following those consultations. We are preparing guidance for registrars, and we have prepared guidance for couples and dealt with the transitional issues. The draft order forms part of our continuing work more widely to implement the 2014 act. Other work to implement that act includes the consultation to which I referred and our plan to consult on qualifying requirements for religious and belief bodies to meet before they can solemnise marriage or register a civil partnership. That will require very careful and close consultation with religious and belief bodies in particular. We continue to work with the Equality Network and the Scottish Transgender Alliance on regulations about the registration of marriages and civil partnerships following gender recognition, and we are preparing an order on alternative evidence, such as hormonal treatment, to be accepted by the gender recognition panel in cases in which a person transitioned to an acquired gender some time ago and seeks recognition thereof. The Government also promised to consider further the issue of the age at which people can obtain gender recognition. We are still considering that. Any changes in that area would definitely require primary legislation. A key issue is ensuring that sufficient support is available for young people in that situation. The Equality Network and the Scottish Transgender Alliance have an equal recognition campaign that covers a wide range of areas, of which that is one. The Government will consider what response we should make to that campaign, including on the question of the age at which gender recognition can be obtained. In conclusion, the draft order helps to further the implementation of the 2014 act. It is a further step towards equality and is in line with what the committee wished at stage 2. I invite the committee to recommend that the order be approved.
In the same item of business
The Convener
Lab
Agenda item 2 is evidence from the Minister for Local Government and Community Empowerment on the draft Qualifying Civil Partnership Modification (Scotland) ...
The Minister for Local Government and Community Empowerment (Marco Biagi)
It is a pleasure to be back here at the Equal Opportunities Committee to outline what the draft order will do and to ask the committee to recommend it. I cl...
The Convener
Lab
Thank you for that information, minister. Do members have questions for the minister?
John Mason
SNP
Will you clarify something, minister? I understand that there are two potential routes if a civil partnership in Scotland is to be changed into a marriage: t...
Marco Biagi
The administrative process takes advantage of the access that we currently have under the registers to whether the couple has already been verified under Sco...
John Mason
SNP
I accept that the marriage ceremony can be quite simple, but would there be a cost difference in that?
Marco Biagi
I will refer to an official on the costs.
Simon Stockwell (Scottish Government)
People can have a civil marriage ceremony in Scotland for £125. That is more expensive than the administrative route for changing a civil partnership to a ma...
John Mason
SNP
Right. Does that include any checks that have to be done on the closeness of the relationship and the things that the minister talked about?
Simon Stockwell
Yes. As the minister said, those checks will have been done when the couple entered the civil partnership because the provisions relating to whether people a...
John Mason
SNP
Okay. Thank you.
Christian Allard
SNP
We all welcome the order, of course. Some of us voted for the amendment, and the order is quite welcome out there as far as we can see. I would like to know...
Marco Biagi
It is hard to tell exactly, because we do not have a register of everybody who has entered a relationship abroad and is now living in Scotland. We are not a ...
Annabel Goldie
Con
Minister, this is less a specific question and more a general observation on drafting. I am clear about the policy intention and I rely on the advice of our ...
Marco Biagi
I think that we are getting into a very wide question about draftsmanship. I could be uncharitable and point to the Scotland Act 1998—a piece of legislation ...
Annabel Goldie
Con
Thankfully, minister, I never served on that committee.
Marco Biagi
Never?
Annabel Goldie
Con
That is probably why I still have a degree of sanity today. Laughter.
Marco Biagi
Well, there you go. My apologies for that slight on your character, if you took it as such. I certainly spent some time on that committee and I appreciate th...
Simon Stockwell
We have a programme of work with the Scottish Law Commission to look at possible candidates for the consolidation of legislation. I and colleagues had a meet...
Marco Biagi
I am sure that the convener of the Justice Committee will be thrilled to hear that, when she does. If we think about the entire process, the Marriage and Ci...
Annabel Goldie
Con
Convener, I thank the minister for his tolerance.
The Convener
Lab
I have a quick question about individuals whose civil partnerships were conducted outwith Scotland in countries where Scotland’s marriage is not recognised. ...
Marco Biagi
Yes. One of the big concerns about the option, as indeed with any aspect of cross-border family law, is that when people move from one country to another, a ...
The Convener
Lab
That is fine. People are made aware of those issues.
Marco Biagi
Yes. We have taken time to develop the guidance that will go to couples and the extra advice in the registrars handbook, to ensure that they can advise coupl...
The Convener
Lab
As there are no further questions, we move on to agenda item 3, which is formal consideration of motion S4M-14271. I invite the minister to speak to and move...
Marco Biagi
I have already spoken in favour, so I will happily just move the motion. I move, That the Equal Opportunities Committee recommends that the Qualifying Civi...
The Convener
Lab
That concludes consideration of the affirmative instrument. We will report the outcome of our consideration to the Parliament. I thank the minister and colle...